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Re: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators?

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"Greenslade, Liam ([log in to unmask])" <[log in to unmask]>

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Happy to. Most of it is about common sense really - the kind of thing that many presentation and public speaking coaches teach. Most of the time it works well and primary school teachers probably use these techniques all the time (what's the book? 'Getting the Buggers to Behave'?). With adults and older students, it's a bit harder.



My Cesar favourites are about taking command of the space physically without appearing to dominate, (he calls it 'projecting calm, relaxed positive energy') and the 'tch' noise he uses to refocus attention (apparently he nicked the latter from his grandma) or to disrupt with unwanted behaviour. Again it's not so much what you do, as how you appear to do it. 



Gregory Bateson's idea that every act of communication contains both a 'command' (i.e. a statement about a relationship) and a report (a statement about a fact or other empirical element of the context). Often in a teaching session it is about keeping these consistent and ensuring that students aren't given mixed messages. With dogs, according to Millan's approach, it is the command aspect which is important (but not literally)  - a dog hears a tone of voice or recognises a posture or smell, and it responds according to its species specific experience of these things.  



But it's definitely my experience that the more physically confident you appear in presenting your message, the more likely you are to get a positive response from students.  The more you appear to be in charge of your material the more likely they'll think you are and part of this is also not responding questions as if they were a threat to your authority (which I've seen people do) both physically and verbally.



I can't think of any particular incidents where this approach has gone spectacularly wrong but I can think of many where my failure to follow this approach has.



Best





Liam 





Liam Greenslade

Research Fellow/Project Officer

Changing Mindsets:  HEFCE/Catalyst Project

Learning & Teaching Enhancement Unit 



Learning Development Advisor

Academic Learning Development

Canterbury Christchurch University 



email: [log in to unmask]

Tel: 01227 922363 

twitter: @greenslade_liam



 













-----Original Message-----

From: Barry Poulter <[log in to unmask]> 

Sent: 17 July 2018 14:04

To: Greenslade, Liam ([log in to unmask]) <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: RE: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators?



Hi Liam,



Any chance you could give an example of the techniques you've used in classrooms and how it plays out? I'd be interested to see how you adapt animal communication into effective 'regular' communication 



Thanks,

B



-----Original Message-----

From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Greenslade, Liam ([log in to unmask])

Sent: 17 July 2018 13:24

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Subject: Re: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators?



When it comes to dog learning, I wonder if any of you have come across Cesar Millan (a.k.a the dog whisperer). There's an example of him at work here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3u1ilylgLc



Although he's been criticised in the past, his approach to dog behaviour (or more often misbehaviour) is based largely on understanding social relationships and inter-species communication from the dog's point of view. His tag line is 'I rehabilitate dogs, but I train people' and his principal dog-training partner was a pit-bull named Daddy.  



His approach to understanding animal behaviour bears a certain similarity to Gregory Bateson's ideas on animal communication in 'Steps to an Ecology of Mind'  and some other writers on animal phenomenology. The basic idea is that if you don't have a digital mode of communication, like language,  then you have to communicate by making statements in analogue form via emotion and relationship with the behavioural repertoire available to your species. Bateson for example argues that when a cat rubs its head and purrs at the refrigerator door, it's not saying 'feed me', it's more likely saying 'be mother to me'.  From a human point of view, the two amount to the same message, but the theoretical implications are quite different. Millan suggests that owners often neglect to understand the relationship element of animal communication and end up fostering precisely the behaviour they don't want. Bateson's followers have applied his ideas on this topic to areas of miscommunication like psychosis and marital therapy.



Millan might not have read the work of an obscure British anthropology or even more obscure European phenomenologists,  but uses similar insights all the time training dog owners to understand the dog's analogue responses to digital communications in the context of the way dogs phenomenologically 'understand' relationships.  Worth a look if you haven't seen it, just for the entertainment value and definitely helpful in overcoming any fear of dogs you might have, as my wife will attest.



Just as an aside, I found some of his techniques work quite well with a classroom of teenagers!



Enjoy your summer





Liam





Liam Greenslade

Research Fellow/Project Officer

Changing Mindsets:  HEFCE/Catalyst Project Learning & Teaching Enhancement Unit 



Learning Development Advisor

Academic Learning Development

Canterbury Christchurch University 



email: [log in to unmask]

Tel: 01227 922363

twitter: @greenslade_liam



 















-----Original Message-----

From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Ian Johnson

Sent: 17 July 2018 11:13

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators?



What struck me as I was pondering these questions is that while (as some earlier contributors have noted), dogs and indeed other animals seem to 'learn' initially through behaviourist principles ('if I behave like this, I get this reward' etc), the results of those learnings turn into something very different. Rather than just displaying desirable behaviours, dogs learn to enact these in combinations, which in turn closely resemble human emotions, like 'anger' or 'love'. These emotions from dogs can look and feel very much like their human equivalents. And in terms of whether the dog can become a teacher ... humans (children and adults alike) can observe a dog displaying love/affection and learn to replicate the pattern. It's definitely an argument that many humans might acquire the ability to replicate an emotion better by observing it from a dog (who displays it flawlessly and largely unconditionally) than a human (who might display it subject to caveats). I guess this explains the growing popularity of canine and equine therapy too. So yes, I believe dogs can be learners and teachers and that it goes deeper than behaviourism. Fantastic thread, and I would love to know what motivated this question, Gordon!



Best,

Ian Johnson

Learning Development Tutor

University of Portsmouth



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