Hi All
In relation to the LD job descriptions and pay scales, there is some information on the UCU website relating to job roles, pay and conditions for academic related staff:
http://www.ucu.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2097
I wonder if this would be useful in addressing some of the questions raised? I think there are two key issues here - the recognition of the contribution of learning developers as 'academic related staff'- and the characterisation of what we do as not constituting 'teaching', but rather being seen as the provision of 'advice', partly due to a misunderstanding of what we do, and arguably in order to justify lower rates of pay. The latest job advert which came out on the list this morning seems to include a research and teaching remit, and yet the job title of 'officer' classifies it as being non-academic, and therefore of lower status and pay than academic colleagues.
I must admit I am flummoxed by the fact that institutions appear to struggle with the notion of research into teaching and learning in HE not being 'academic'!
Alison
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:32:09 +0100
From: Debbie Andrews <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: LDHEN Digest - 3 Aug 2012 to 8 Aug 2012 (#2012-151)
Dear Julian,
I am certainly not in favour of erosion of pay and conditions for
professional colleagues but I am afraid our splendid Queen Mary PASS
mentors do not make the argument as they are volunteers. The student
organisers (team leaders) have just had their pay bumped up, I am
delighted to say, in accordance with the London Living Wage, to £9 per
hour, for any admin time they spend but their mentoring hours are also
voluntary.
Best,
Debbie
On 09/08/2012 11:19, Julian Ingle wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I'm glad you raised this. I'm very concerned about this rate of pay for a learning development post, and the message this sends out across our sector and the creeping (poorly paid) casualisation of our roles.
>
> As a comparison, our undergraduate PASS mentors are paid an equivalent amount and some student IT developers (3rd yrs) are paid substantially more.
>
> Regards,
>
> Julian
>
>
> On 9 Aug 2012, at 00:03, LDHEN automatic digest system wrote:
>
>> There are 8 messages totaling 5548 lines in this issue.
>>
>> Topics of the day:
>>
>> 1. Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from
>> Adelaide (7)
>> 2. Fixed term Study Development Advisor post
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:58:33 +0100
>> From: John Hilsdon <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear Joelle and all
>>
>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>
>>
>>
>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Hilsdon
>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>> University of Plymouth
>> Drake Circus
>> Plymouth
>> PL4 8AA
>> 01752 587750
>>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>
>> [cid:image001.png@01CD755B.2DF58030]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>
>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>
>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365.
>>
>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
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>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
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>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:01:33 +0000
>> From: Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>>
>>
>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear Joelle and all
>>
>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>
>>
>>
>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Hilsdon
>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>> University of Plymouth
>> Drake Circus
>> Plymouth
>> PL4 8AA
>> 01752 587750
>>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>
>> [Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>
>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>
>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365.
>>
>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:41:27 +0100
>> From: Chris Doye <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Fixed term Study Development Advisor post
>>
>> We're advertising for a full time fixed term (until 30.06.2014) Study Development Advisor at the Institute for Academic Development, University of Edinburgh. The closing date is 24th August - sorry, it went up last week but I've been on leave; interviews will be held on 7th September. The post would begin as soon as the successful candidate could start.
>>
>> More information is available at the following URL:
>> http://www.jobs.ed.ac.uk/vacancies/index.cfm?fuseaction=vacancies.detail&vacancy_ref=3016088
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris Doye
>> Study Development Advisor
>> Institute for Academic Development
>> University of Edinburgh
>> 7 Bristo Square
>> Edinburgh, EH8 9AL
>>
>> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>> Tel: 0131 651 6129
>>
>> --
>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:44:50 +0100
>> From: Joelle Adams <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>
>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how
>> the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no
>> option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post,
>> so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback
>> to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any
>> examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be
>> most grateful.
>>
>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>> *Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA*
>> *Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH*
>> *Bath Spa University*
>>
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>> Join us on: Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> |
>> Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni>
>> | YouTube <http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> |
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>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
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>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Jeanette****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* learning development in higher education network [mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *John Hilsdon
>>> *Sent:* 08 August 2012 11:59
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University -
>>> Greetings from Adelaide****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I’m only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below). ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your
>>> comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and
>>> professional development. I guess I’d be less concerned if this were a
>>> graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word
>>> ‘senior’ in the description of the role as ‘Senior Writing and Learning
>>> Centre Associate’. More specifically, the details given include the
>>> following paragraph: ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *“You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke
>>> workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day
>>> running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing
>>> conventions and some experience of developing students’ learning in higher
>>> education, you’ll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage
>>> students in order to improve their learning.”*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and ‘profile’ I’d look
>>> for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I’d not be happy
>>> having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching (‘delivering workshops’) on
>>> such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting
>>> with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would *start*at £31,020 pa – with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per
>>> hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our
>>> undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to
>>> £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning
>>> sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and
>>> academics.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder
>>> to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I
>>> have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice
>>> - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> With best wishes****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> John****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing****
>>>
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA ****
>>>
>>> 01752 587750
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> ****
>>>
>>> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
>>> "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be*www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> [image: Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* learning development in higher education network [mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Joelle Adams
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre
>>> Associate at £10.35/hour.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though
>>> the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and
>>> professional development. All queries should be directed to me at
>>> [log in to unmask] or 01225 876365.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Details are available here:
>>> http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards,****
>>>
>>> Joelle****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA*****
>>>
>>> *Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH*****
>>>
>>> *Bath Spa University*****
>>>
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365****
>>>
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk****
>>>
>>> Join us on: Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> |
>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity>
>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>****
>>>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *Think before you print *****
>>>
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>>>
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>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely
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>>>
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>>> University. ****
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:04:28 +0000
>> From: Pauline Ridley <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Pauline
>> ------------
>> Pauline Ridley
>>
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>
>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>
>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>>
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit <http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/> www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
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>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
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>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear Joelle and all
>>
>> I’m only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I’d be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word ‘senior’ in the description of the role as ‘Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate’. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> “You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students’ learning in higher education, you’ll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning.”
>>
>>
>>
>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and ‘profile’ I’d look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I’d not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching (‘delivering workshops’) on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa – with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Hilsdon
>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>> University of Plymouth
>> Drake Circus
>> Plymouth
>> PL4 8AA
>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk>
>>
>> [Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>
>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>
>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>
>> Details are available here: <http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf> http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
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>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
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>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:07:16 +0100
>> From: Joelle Adams <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> That would be fabulous Pauline. Ironically, my post is permanent and academic, though fractional. It would be great to work together to tackle this issue.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FHEA and FSEDA
>> Writing and Learning Centre Coordinator and FASTECH Project Developer
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: 01225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>> Think before you print
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:04, Pauline Ridley wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Pauline
>>> ------------
>>> Pauline Ridley
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>>
>>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>>>
>>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Joelle
>>>>
>>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>>> Bath Spa University
>>>>
>>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>>
>>>> Think before you print
>>>>
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>>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
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>>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeanette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I’d be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word ‘senior’ in the description of the role as ‘Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate’. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students’ learning in higher education, you’ll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and ‘profile’ I’d look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I’d not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching (‘delivering workshops’) on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa – with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With best wishes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Hilsdon
>>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>>>
>>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>>> University of Plymouth
>>>> Drake Circus
>>>> Plymouth
>>>> PL4 8AA
>>>>
>>>> 01752 587750
>>>>
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask] or 01225 876365.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Joelle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>>>
>>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>>>
>>>> Bath Spa University
>>>>
>>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>>>
>>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>>>>
>>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Think before you print
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:12:34 +0100
>> From: Dickson Telfer <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> In Scotland, there is no consistency regarding status, pay grade, location/department. It ranges from support contracts in student services departments to academic contracts in schools/faculties, despite the roles and responsibilities being very similar. A consistency would be great, so I'd be interested to see the outcome of what you suggest, Pauline.
>> Cheers, Dickson.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: 08 August 2012 16:07
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> That would be fabulous Pauline. Ironically, my post is permanent and academic, though fractional. It would be great to work together to tackle this issue.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FHEA and FSEDA
>> Writing and Learning Centre Coordinator and FASTECH Project Developer
>> Bath Spa University
>>
>> T: 01225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
>> Disclaimer
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:04, Pauline Ridley wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Pauline
>> ------------
>> Pauline Ridley
>>
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>
>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>
>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
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>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear Joelle and all
>>
>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>
>>
>>
>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Hilsdon
>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>> University of Plymouth
>> Drake Circus
>> Plymouth
>> PL4 8AA
>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>
>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>
>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>
>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
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>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:44:18 +0000
>> From: "McMorrow, Martin" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Hi Joelle and all,
>>
>> I think everyone sympathises with your dilemma - i.e. between a 'needs' rock and a budget 'hard place'. Wouldn't the UK Tertiary Education Union be involved in the process, though? Here in NZ, we've found the union very helpful in making a case for pay, conditions and recognition. By the way, the centre I work for pays casual part-time student mentors the equivalent of 13 pounds an hour - and New Zealand, in general, is a low-wage economy compared to the UK. So, the pay on offer there for a senior staff member does seem out of proportion to the skills and experience required. Good luck with it!
>>
>> Martin McMorrow
>> Massey University, New Zealand
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pauline Ridley
>> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012 3:04 a.m.
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Pauline
>> ------------
>> Pauline Ridley
>>
>>
>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>
>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>
>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
>> Disclaimer
>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>
>> Dear Joelle and all
>>
>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>
>>
>>
>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>
>>
>>
>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Hilsdon
>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>> University of Plymouth
>> Drake Circus
>> Plymouth
>> PL4 8AA
>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>
>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>
>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>
>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joelle
>>
>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>> Bath Spa University
>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>
>> Think before you print
>>
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>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
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>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:49:22 +0100
From: "Pottinger, Isabelle B" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: My Writing Lab - Pearson
Dear All,
An academic in my institution told me that he encourages his students to
use the online writing resource 'My Writing Lab' by Pearson. If anyone
has used it (or a competitor product), I would welcome your feedback.
I'm happy to collate responses sent to my mailbox.
Best wishes,
Isabelle
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Isabelle Pottinger
Effective Learning Adviser/ Academic Counsellor
Library
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Edinburgh
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:13:49 +0000
From: Jeanette Rowley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: LD job descritpions and pay scales
Dear all,
AMOSSHE have replied to my request for information as follows:
Dear Jeanette
Thank you for your e-mail and interest in AMOSSHE, the Student Services Organisation. Information about our work is at www.amosshe.org.uk
We don't currently hold any information in the form that you are looking for - the closest is our members' survey but that is a members' only resource, and does not go into the level of detail that you are looking for - rather it highlights the areas that fall within managers of Student Services' remit. We do not hold anything specific relating to role titles or posts that are specifically described as or restricted to 'learning development.'
We hope at some point in future to develop a repository of job descriptions in Student Services, but this is a long way from happening.
If you do find any material in this area, please keep me updated as I am sure our members would be very interested in your findings.
I am sorry that we cannot be of more help in this instance. Kind regards,
Raegan
Raegan Hiles
Policy and Public Affairs Manager
Consequently, as promised I have put together a word document that can be filled in by anyone wanting to participate. However, I realised as I was doing this that one question leads to another to get an good picture of the context of LD in HE. Consequently, I ended up with too many questions - apologies! I did look into Survey Monkey which is an anonymous free online survey tool. The only downside is that you can only have 10 questions using the free version.
I would be happy for any suggestions to refine the questionnaire if people think some questions are not necessary . If we can get it down to 10 we can use Survey Monkey. Otherwise I'm still happy to collate if people want to back the completed form. For reasons of anonymity I'm happy to receive completed forms at the email address [log in to unmask] It's not ideal but probably better than sending through the network. I will just save the attachment and delete folks emails. If anyone has a better suggestion I would be grateful to learn about it as I do appreciate that an email address is personal information. Survey Monkey wouldn't require any personal details.
Please note that the outcome of this informal and unofficial survey exercise is for the use of us in the network only and isn't intended to form the basis of anything concrete. Hopefully it can help us identify important aspects for further examination.
Jeanette
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:05:16 +0100
From: Andy Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: My Writing Lab - Pearson
Its no surprise that some students refer to LDU's as remedial services when
they are guided by academics to online services that call what they do
'skill remediation'.
And if the wider academic community think along similar lines, its little
surprise that jobs in the field are advertised at non-academic rates.
A.
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Andy Mitchell
Learning Development and Research Assistant
Centre of Excellence in Learning and Teaching
London Metropolitan University
236-250 Holloway Road, N7 6PP
Twitter - AndyDMMitchell
Skype - taunton.cider
*Essential Study Skills:*The Complete Guide to Success at University *Third
Edition*
*http://bit.ly/N15GUD** *
http://prezi.com/yzxpenplkqng/essential-study-skills-3rd-edition/
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On 13 August 2012 10:49, Pottinger, Isabelle B <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear All,****
>
> ** **
>
> An academic in my institution told me that he encourages his students to
> use the online writing resource ‘My Writing Lab’ by Pearson. If anyone
> has used it (or a competitor product), I would welcome your feedback. I’m
> happy to collate responses sent to my mailbox.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best wishes,****
>
> ** **
>
> Isabelle****
>
> ** **
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Isabelle Pottinger****
>
> Effective Learning Adviser/ Academic Counsellor****
>
> Library****
>
> Heriot-Watt University****
>
> Edinburgh****
>
> ** **
>
> +44 (0)131 451 3062****
>
> [log in to unmask]****
>
> ** **
>
> Effective Learning Service:
> http://www.hw.ac.uk/library/effective-learning-service.html****
>
> ** **
>
> Library Workshops: http://www.hw.ac.uk/library/workshops.html****
>
> ** **
>
> LearnHigher: http://www.learnhigher.ac.uk/****
>
> ** **
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Heriot-Watt University is the Sunday Times Scottish University of the
> Year 2011-2012.*
>
> We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to join
> us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. Please
> see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders for further information and how to
> apply.
>
> Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity
> number SC000278.
>
> Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:07:06 +0000
From: "Wood, Joanne" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: My Writing Lab - Pearson
Hello Andy
I agree with you. I have a vague recollection of someone asking for my professional opinion on this website and I think 'barge pole' featured in my appraisal of it.
Joanne
From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Mitchell
Sent: 13 August 2012 12:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: My Writing Lab - Pearson
Its no surprise that some students refer to LDU's as remedial services when they are guided by academics to online services that call what they do 'skill remediation'.
And if the wider academic community think along similar lines, its little surprise that jobs in the field are advertised at non-academic rates.
A.
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Andy Mitchell
Learning Development and Research Assistant
Centre of Excellence in Learning and Teaching
London Metropolitan University
236-250 Holloway Road, N7 6PP
Twitter - AndyDMMitchell
Skype - taunton.cider
Essential Study Skills:
The Complete Guide to Success at University Third Edition
http://bit.ly/N15GUD
http://prezi.com/yzxpenplkqng/essential-study-skills-3rd-edition/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 13 August 2012 10:49, Pottinger, Isabelle B <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Dear All,
An academic in my institution told me that he encourages his students to use the online writing resource 'My Writing Lab' by Pearson. If anyone has used it (or a competitor product), I would welcome your feedback. I'm happy to collate responses sent to my mailbox.
Best wishes,
Isabelle
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Isabelle Pottinger
Effective Learning Adviser/ Academic Counsellor
Library
Heriot-Watt University
Edinburgh
+44 (0)131 451 3062
[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Effective Learning Service: http://www.hw.ac.uk/library/effective-learning-service.html
Library Workshops: http://www.hw.ac.uk/library/workshops.html
LearnHigher: http://www.learnhigher.ac.uk/
________________________________
Heriot-Watt University is the Sunday Times Scottish University of the Year 2011-2012.
We invite research leaders and ambitious early career researchers to join us in leading and driving research in key inter-disciplinary themes. Please see www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders<http://www.hw.ac.uk/researchleaders> for further information and how to apply.
Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity registered under charity number SC000278.
Companies Act 2006 : http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/companyinfo
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