Dear all,
I have set an email enquiry to AMOSSHE. If they are unable to provide useful stats I will circulate a word doc next week for anyone interest in participating in an informal and unofficial survey, and include a personal email address for return.
I will collate data and circulate results here.
Jeanette
-----Original Message-----
From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Dickinson
Sent: 09 August 2012 13:19
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: LDHEN Digest - 3 Aug 2012 to 8 Aug 2012 (#2012-151)
Hi all
I know that AMOSSHE collate and map pay and responsibilities every 2 years for their IRMs. So it might be worth seeing how theirs works or doesn't and whether it is felt to be a useful influence when new posts are graded. I know it's used to track pay trends in student services management across the sector at the very least.
Best
Mary
Sent by mobile email.
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:14, "Janette Myers" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Many thanks to Jeanette for this offer, which will be really useful. I
> also wonder if we could have a second strand to track this over time, by
> keeping a record of posts and their job descriptions as they are
> advertised. It won't pick up all, but I look at jobs.ac.uk each week, in
> order to track how student support is developing and it shouldn't be too
> difficult to remember to click on and file any relevant posts. As
> they're in the public domain there would be no need to anonymise. If
> anyone has any search tips to save me trawling through loads of
> irrelevant stuff I'd be grateful for them.
> Regards
> Janette
> On 09/08/2012 11:45, Jeanette Rowley wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> You might remember I posted a query asking if anyone knew of research done on job descriptions and pay scales on July 7th this year. I would be happy to be involved in collating information. I am term time only at work which means I can find a few hours for this in my own time over summer. If anyone wants to contribute, I believe we would need brief job title and description details, the department LD/study skills is located in your institution, and pay. I think also relevant is if the contract is term time only especially where there is a Faculty of Health and Social Care as those faculty students don't typically finish at the same time as other students. If anyone can suggest other categories which would be useful I'd be more than happy to include them. Also I think it might be useful to indicate if the job description has been changed in the evolution of the service at particular institutions to reflect increased demands or employee profile but without enhanced salary.
>>
>> I don't know what the ALDiHE 'round robin' figure is but I would offer to compile this information if a useful number of positive responses were forthcoming. Anyone got a 'number of institutions' figure in mind to make it worthwhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julian Ingle
>> Sent: 09 August 2012 11:20
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: LDHEN Digest - 3 Aug 2012 to 8 Aug 2012 (#2012-151)
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> I'm glad you raised this. I'm very concerned about this rate of pay for a learning development post, and the message this sends out across our sector and the creeping (poorly paid) casualisation of our roles.
>>
>> As a comparison, our undergraduate PASS mentors are paid an equivalent amount and some student IT developers (3rd yrs) are paid substantially more.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>> On 9 Aug 2012, at 00:03, LDHEN automatic digest system wrote:
>>
>>> There are 8 messages totaling 5548 lines in this issue.
>>>
>>> Topics of the day:
>>>
>>> 1. Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from
>>> Adelaide (7)
>>> 2. Fixed term Study Development Advisor post
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:58:33 +0100
>>> From: John Hilsdon<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>
>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA
>>> 01752 587750
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.png@01CD755B.2DF58030]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365.
>>>
>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
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>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
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>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:01:33 +0000
>>> From: Jeanette Rowley<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>
>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA
>>> 01752 587750
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>>
>>> [Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365.
>>>
>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:41:27 +0100
>>> From: Chris Doye<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Fixed term Study Development Advisor post
>>>
>>> We're advertising for a full time fixed term (until 30.06.2014) Study Development Advisor at the Institute for Academic Development, University of Edinburgh. The closing date is 24th August - sorry, it went up last week but I've been on leave; interviews will be held on 7th September. The post would begin as soon as the successful candidate could start.
>>>
>>> More information is available at the following URL:
>>> http://www.jobs.ed.ac.uk/vacancies/index.cfm?fuseaction=vacancies.detail&vacancy_ref=3016088
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris Doye
>>> Study Development Advisor
>>> Institute for Academic Development
>>> University of Edinburgh
>>> 7 Bristo Square
>>> Edinburgh, EH8 9AL
>>>
>>> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>> Tel: 0131 651 6129
>>>
>>> --
>>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:44:50 +0100
>>> From: Joelle Adams<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>
>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how
>>> the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no
>>> option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post,
>>> so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback
>>> to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any
>>> examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be
>>> most grateful.
>>>
>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> *Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA*
>>> *Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH*
>>> *Bath Spa University*
>>>
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> |
>>> Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni>
>>> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> |
>>> LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> *Think before you print *
>>>
>>> *Disclaimer *
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it
>>> from
>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely
>>> those
>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa
>>> University.
>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for
>>> viruses
>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for
>>> viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Jeanette****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* learning development in higher education network [mailto:
>>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *John Hilsdon
>>>> *Sent:* 08 August 2012 11:59
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University -
>>>> Greetings from Adelaide****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Dear Joelle and all****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below). ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your
>>>> comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and
>>>> professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a
>>>> graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word
>>>> 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning
>>>> Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the
>>>> following paragraph: ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *"You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke
>>>> workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day
>>>> running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing
>>>> conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher
>>>> education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage
>>>> students in order to improve their learning."*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look
>>>> for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy
>>>> having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on
>>>> such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting
>>>> with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would *start*at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per
>>>> hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our
>>>> undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to
>>>> £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning
>>>> sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and
>>>> academics.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder
>>>> to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I
>>>> have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice
>>>> - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> With best wishes****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> John****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> John Hilsdon
>>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing****
>>>>
>>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>>> University of Plymouth
>>>> Drake Circus
>>>> Plymouth
>>>> PL4 8AA ****
>>>>
>>>> 01752 587750
>>>>
>>>> [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]> ****
>>>>
>>>> *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
>>>> "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be*www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn>
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> [image: Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *From:* learning development in higher education network [mailto:
>>>> [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Joelle Adams
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Subject:* Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre
>>>> Associate at £10.35/hour.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though
>>>> the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and
>>>> professional development. All queries should be directed to me at
>>>> [log in to unmask] or 01225 876365.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Details are available here:
>>>> http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Regards,****
>>>>
>>>> Joelle****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA*****
>>>>
>>>> *Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH*****
>>>>
>>>> *Bath Spa University*****
>>>>
>>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365****
>>>>
>>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk****
>>>>
>>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> |
>>>> Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity>
>>>> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>****
>>>>
>>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *Think before you print *****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> *Disclaimer *****
>>>>
>>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it
>>>> from ****
>>>>
>>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely
>>>> those ****
>>>>
>>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa
>>>> University. ****
>>>>
>>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for
>>>> viruses ****
>>>>
>>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for
>>>> viruses.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:04:28 +0000
>>> From: Pauline Ridley<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Pauline
>>> ------------
>>> Pauline Ridley
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams"<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>
>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>>
>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/> www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
>>> Disclaimer
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley<<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>> To:<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>
>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA
>>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>>
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk>
>>>
>>> [Description: Description: Description: learning-FOR-EMAIL]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> To:<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>>
>>> Details are available here:<http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf> http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
>>> Disclaimer
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
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>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:07:16 +0100
>>> From: Joelle Adams<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> That would be fabulous Pauline. Ironically, my post is permanent and academic, though fractional. It would be great to work together to tackle this issue.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FHEA and FSEDA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre Coordinator and FASTECH Project Developer
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: 01225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>> Think before you print
>>> Disclaimer
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:04, Pauline Ridley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Pauline
>>>> ------------
>>>> Pauline Ridley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams"<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> Joelle
>>>>>
>>>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>>>> Bath Spa University
>>>>>
>>>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>>>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>>>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>>>
>>>>> Think before you print
>>>>>
>>>>> Disclaimer
>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>>>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>>>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>>>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeanette
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Hilsdon
>>>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>>>>
>>>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>>>> University of Plymouth
>>>>> Drake Circus
>>>>> Plymouth
>>>>> PL4 8AA
>>>>>
>>>>> 01752 587750
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask] or 01225 876365.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joelle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>>>>
>>>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>>>>
>>>>> Bath Spa University
>>>>>
>>>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> Join us on: Facebook | Twitter | YouTube | LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Think before you print
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>>>>>
>>>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>>>>
>>>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:12:34 +0100
>>> From: Dickson Telfer<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> In Scotland, there is no consistency regarding status, pay grade, location/department. It ranges from support contracts in student services departments to academic contracts in schools/faculties, despite the roles and responsibilities being very similar. A consistency would be great, so I'd be interested to see the outcome of what you suggest, Pauline.
>>> Cheers, Dickson.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 16:07
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> That would be fabulous Pauline. Ironically, my post is permanent and academic, though fractional. It would be great to work together to tackle this issue.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FHEA and FSEDA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre Coordinator and FASTECH Project Developer
>>> Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> T: 01225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
>>> Disclaimer
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University. Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:04, Pauline Ridley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Pauline
>>> ------------
>>> Pauline Ridley
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams"<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>
>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>>
>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
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>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
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>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>
>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA
>>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>>
>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
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>>> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 21:44:18 +0000
>>> From: "McMorrow, Martin"<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Hi Joelle and all,
>>>
>>> I think everyone sympathises with your dilemma - i.e. between a 'needs' rock and a budget 'hard place'. Wouldn't the UK Tertiary Education Union be involved in the process, though? Here in NZ, we've found the union very helpful in making a case for pay, conditions and recognition. By the way, the centre I work for pays casual part-time student mentors the equivalent of 13 pounds an hour - and New Zealand, in general, is a low-wage economy compared to the UK. So, the pay on offer there for a senior staff member does seem out of proportion to the skills and experience required. Good luck with it!
>>>
>>> Martin McMorrow
>>> Massey University, New Zealand
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pauline Ridley
>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012 3:04 a.m.
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> I think this is just the kind of thing that this network and ALDinHE could help with. If we can gather a cross section of job descriptions and pay rates from sessional tutors and student mentors through to full time senior posts then we could perhaps publish a sector good practice guide on the ALDinHE site. This approach has been helpful in other sectors like arts and museums where underpay and job insecurity are rife.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Pauline
>>> ------------
>>> Pauline Ridley
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:45, "Joelle Adams"<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>> Dear John, Jeanette, et al
>>>
>>> I agree - I think the rate of pay is 'shocking'; unfortunately, this is how the role has been graded by the HR department again and again. There is no option (at the moment) of hiring a permanent person on a fractional post, so this is the option we're left with. What I need is this kind of feedback to add my case about comparative roles in the sector, so if anyone has any examples of job descriptions and rates they are willing to share, I'd be most grateful.
>>>
>>> Rest assured I'm working on it....
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
>>> Disclaimer
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
>>> your system. Any views or opinions expressed in personal emails are solely those
>>> of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Bath Spa University.
>>> Neither Bath Spa University nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses
>>> and it is your responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2012 12:01, Jeanette Rowley<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I must admit, I was shocked by the rate too.
>>>
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
>>> Sent: 08 August 2012 11:59
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University - Greetings from Adelaide
>>>
>>> Dear Joelle and all
>>>
>>> I'm only recently back from leave and had missed your email (below).
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about the rate of pay being offered here, despite your comments about there being plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. I guess I'd be less concerned if this were a graduate internship role and if it were not for your use of the word 'senior' in the description of the role as 'Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate'. More specifically, the details given include the following paragraph:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "You will undertake activities such as designing and delivering bespoke workshops, conducting 1:1 tutorials, and contributing to the day-to-day running of the Centre. With an excellent understanding of academic writing conventions and some experience of developing students' learning in higher education, you'll be a clear, confident communicator who can engage students in order to improve their learning."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These are exactly the kinds of skilled activities, and 'profile' I'd look for in a learning developer. Here at Plymouth University I'd not be happy having anyone conduct tutorials or teaching ('delivering workshops') on such a low rate of pay. I might be happier if this person were assisting with or contributing to these activities. An LD post here would start at £31,020 pa - with 30 days paid leave. This equates to about £18 per hour. For comparative purposes it may be useful to know that our undergraduate peer learning leaders are rewarded with honoraria equating to £8.00 per hour. Their key role is to plan and facilitate group learning sessions for fellow students and to liaise with Learning Developers and academics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that Joelle is offering a great opportunity for the role-holder to develop their experience in LD in higher education and it may be that I have misinterpreted the level of responsibility they will have in practice - but I felt it important to flag up these concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Hilsdon
>>> Head of Learning Support and Wellbeing
>>> Room 102, 3 Endsleigh Place
>>> University of Plymouth
>>> Drake Circus
>>> Plymouth
>>> PL4 8AA
>>> 01752 587750<tel:01752%20587750>
>>>
>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.plymouth.ac.uk" claiming to be<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn> www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk<http://www.learningdevelopment.plymouth.ac.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Joelle Adams
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 11:23 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Casual learning developer post at Bath Spa University
>>>
>>> Bath Spa University is seeking a Senior Writing and Learning Centre Associate at £10.35/hour.
>>>
>>> Please pass on to any suitable candidates in the Bath/Bristol area. Though the pay looks low, there are plenty of opportunities for hours and professional development. All queries should be directed to me at [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> or 01225 876365<tel:01225%20876365>.
>>>
>>> Details are available here: http://www2.bathspa.ac.uk/services/hr/jobs/current-vacancies/07_12_CSWL.pdf
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Joelle
>>>
>>> Joelle Adams, FSEDA, FHEA
>>> Writing and Learning Centre and FASTECH
>>> Bath Spa University
>>> T: +44 (0)1225 876365<tel:%2B44%20%280%291225%20876365>
>>> Visit www.bathspa.ac.uk<http://www.bathspa.ac.uk/>
>>> Join us on: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/bath.spa.university> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/BathSpaUni> | YouTube<http://www.youtube.com/BathSpaUniversity> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/bath-spa-university>
>>> Newton Park, Bath, BA2 9BN
>>>
>>> Think before you print
>>>
>>> Disclaimer
>>> If you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>> This email has been scanned by MessageLabs' Email Security
>>> System on behalf of the University of Brighton.
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> End of LDHEN Digest - 3 Aug 2012 to 8 Aug 2012 (#2012-151)
>>> **********************************************************
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