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Re: how can we cite them "right"

From:

C Neville <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:16:40 +0100

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Picking up John's gaunlet:


I think that Walker & Taylor have presented a useful set of
principles that serve to underpin all referencing styles in 
the West:

1. The principle of Intellectual Property: 
Western concepts of plagiarism are based on an economic model of 
capitalism and the notion that someone can own an idea 
if the idea has been presented in work, e.g. a 'fixed' way, 
published or presented into the public domain;

2. The principle of Access: to help readers quickly locate 
original documents referred to in a text;

3.The principle of Economy: the references should include 
as much information as necessary to help readers locate 
them. But they should also be presented in such a way as to 
reduce the need for lengthy explanations in the text and 
speed up the process of reading;

4. The principle of Standardization: referencing should be 
presented in a way that allows everyone to understand the 
meaning (this is the tricky one!)

5.The principle of Transparency: referencing should include
easily understood abbreviations that are recognizable to 
many people, for example, the use of ed. for 'editor'.

On the fourth principle above, the MLA make an interesting 
point in their handbook about different referencing styles.

On this argument, the handbook produced by the MLA makes an
interesting comment on the adoption of particular 
referencing styles by disciplines.  It makes the point that
referencing styles are shaped by the kinds of research and 
scholarship undertaken. In the sciences (and business 
disciplines), the author-date referencing style is often 
used to given prominence to the year and general timeliness
and currency of the research; whereas with the humanities 
in is often more important to guide the reader to exactly 
the right author and page, so a telling detail can more 
easily and speedily be found. Numerical- footnotes and the 
author-page (MLA) style has tended to be adopted for these 
reasons.

The numerical related styles of referencing are often also 
favoured by visual disciplines, such as art and design and 
architecture, because they are more subtle, less intrusive 
and better pleasing aesthetically on the page, compared to 
the relative 'clutter' produced by the Harvard, APA and MLA
styles.  The numbers don't count in the word counts for 
assignments, unlike the author date citations, which is 
making numerical styles more popular again with students.

However, part of the problem is also in the lack of a real 
benchmark for using Harvard and both numerical styles in 
Britain. Although a benchmark for using these styles are 
the British Standard (BS) guides, these are not as detailed 
as the style guides issued by APA and MLA, and are limited 
in the range of source examples they give. British Standard 
recommendations are compiled initially by a committee, 
and it shows: the writing style & general presentation is 
dessicated and appear not to be aimed at a student 
readership, and present examples better suited to Oxbridge 
than your average uni. So BS guidelines have been 
interpreted and rewritten by students by learner support 
staff at universities, usually librarians, to make them 
more accessible. 

This can result, however, in a lack of consistency in 
referencing guides produced by institutions across Britain 
on the application of these styles, particularly in 
relation to electronic sources, and particularly in 
relation to the author-date: Harvard style, which appears 
from my research earlier this year, to be the predominant 
style within UK/HE. 

Conversely, this may be also one of the main reasons for 
the author-date (Harvard) style popularity: in the relative
flexibility of interpretation it allows, compared to the 
detailed prescription of APA and MLA  style referencing 
guides.

But it also encourages the idiosyncrasies and 
eccentricities of staff who feel they have the academic 
freedom to insist on little twists and flourishes of their 
own to the relatively unprescribed world of BS-led Harvard 
and numerical referencing styles in Britain and maybe 
because the institutional guides are produced by learner 
support colleagues, rather than professorial chums. 

There is very little difference between Harvard & APA 
styles (the differences are mainly in electronic 
referencing), which has produced neither fish nor fowl 
hybrids of the two. But the words 'American' and 
'Psychological' in the abbreviation appear to prevent APA 
becoming the benchmark for author-date styles in Britain.

The attention is certainly on referencing in UK/HE, as 
issues around plagiarism often boil down to poor 
referencing, rather than cheating by students. That's 
certainly been my experience at Bradford.


Colin Neville
LearnHigher Referencing Learning Area Co-ordinator

Ref:  WALKER, J.R. and T. TAYLOR (1998). The Columbia guide 
to online style. New York: Columbia University Press.




On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:19:05 +0100 John Hilsdon 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Nothing like a bit of enlightenment about academic referencing
> conventions to set the list alight, I thought (;-)) - so I'm forwarding
> Jan's erudite mail below from the ISL list, to set in the context of our
> own previous conversations .... about, for e.g. whether there are
> correct ways or 'rules' of referencing we can teach our students, versus
> a learning-and-following (or deliberately flouting!) the 'conventions'
> of your academic community/discipline approach! 
> John
> 
> Jan Parker [[log in to unmask]] wrote:
> FW: Impact of higher education research
> Malcolm Tight has presented mutual citation clusters and citation
> avoiders 
> to divide us into tribes..... Academic Literacies research meanwhile has
> 
> highlighted how different disciplines use citation differently - from
> the 
> Humanities kind of nodding reference to the giants who went before us on
> 
> whose shoulders we wish to stand/ to straw men who we conveniently wish
> to 
> argue against, to some 'hard' science who wish to scrupulously document 
> where their 'brick in the wall' fits in the evidence- and research-base
> of 
> the discipline.
>     I come from Classics, which has only one model of citation -
> tactful, 
> veiled, oh so deadly 'killing the father' - the subtle acknowledging of
> debt 
> while slipping the rapier in with a smile. I hasten to say, that is why
> I 
> came as a gypsy to Education, a domain of people from all kinds of 
> intellectual background that seems both more proper and more valid in
> using 
> citation to outline the sort of paradigms/patterns of thought we are
> trying 
> to work with not for their own sake but with a higher end in view - 
> improving student learning.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> John Hilsdon
> Co-ordinator, Learning Development 
> University of Plymouth 
> Drake Circus 
> Plymouth 
> PL4 8AA 
> 
> 01752 232276 
> 
> [log in to unmask]
> 
> http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/learn
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Improving Student Learning [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Jan Parker
> Sent: 27 September 2006 04:58
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Impact of higher education research
> 
> Malcolm Tight has presented mutual citation clusters and citation
> avoiders 
> to divide us into tribes..... Academic Literacies research meanwhile has
> 
> highlighted how different disciplines use citation differently - from
> the 
> Humanities kind of nodding reference to the giants who went before us on
> 
> whose shoulders we wish to stand/ to straw men who we conveniently wish
> to 
> argue against, to some 'hard' science who wish to scrupulously document 
> where their 'brick in the wall' fits in the evidence- and research-base
> of 
> the discipline.
>     I come from Classics, which has only one model of citation -
> tactful, 
> veiled, oh so deadly 'killing the father' - the subtle acknowledging of
> debt 
> while slipping the rapier in with a smile. I hasten to say, that is why
> I 
> came as a gypsy to Education, a domain of people from all kinds of 
> intellectual background that seems both more proper and more valid in
> using 
> citation to outline the sort of paradigms/patterns of thought we are
> trying 
> to work with not for their own sake but with a higher end in view - 
> improving student learning.
>     Jan
> Dr Jan Parker,
> Chair, Humanities Higher Education Research Group,
> Senior Research Fellow, Institute of Educational Technology, UKOU;
> Editor-in-Chief, Arts and Humanities in Higher Education:an
> international 
> journal of theory, research and practice;
> Executive Editor, Teaching in Higher Education.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Land" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Impact of higher education research
> 
> 
> >Aye, but we cite when we seek to endorse with our readership what we
> have 
> >written - not >necessarily just to acknowledge those who have
> influenced 
> >us.
> 
> Given that Bourdieu referred to this game as 'citology', perhaps the 
> phenomenon John describes here might best be characterised as 
> 'para-citology'?   ;-)
> 
> Ray
> 
> ************************************************************************
> *****
> Professor Ray Land
> Director, Centre for Academic Practice and Learning Enhancement
> University of Strathclyde
> Graham Hills Building
> 50 George Street
> Glasgow G1 1QE
> 
> t:   0141 548 2636
> f:   0141 553 2053
> e:  [log in to unmask]
> w:  http://personal.strath.ac.uk/ray.land
> 
> ICE3 Symposium: 'Digital difference'. Loch Lomond, Scotland 21-23 March
> 2007
> http://www.education.ed.ac.uk/ice3 <http://www.education.ed.ac.uk/ice3>
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Improving Student Learning on behalf of Cowan, John
> Sent: Mon 25/09/2006 10:43
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Impact of higher education research
> 
> 
> Aye, but we cite when we seek to endorse with our readership what we
> have 
> written - not necessarily just to acknowledge those who have influenced
> us.
> 
> John
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Improving Student Learning on behalf of Peter Kandlbinder
> Sent: Mon 25/09/2006 10:15
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Impact of higher education research
> 
> 
> 
> For those interested the list looks very different if one uses Google
> Scholar. The top 5 for the search "higher education teaching and
> learning" ranked by citations are:
> 
> P Ramsden
> D Laurillard
> EL Boyer
> JB Biggs
> LM Harasim, SR Hiltz, L Teles, M Turoff
> 
> regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> ---
> Institute for Interactive Media and Learning
> University of Technology, Sydney
> PO Box 123
> BROADWAY  NSW  2007
> 
> Ph     02  9514 2314
> Fax    02 9514 1666
> URL http://www.iml.uts.edu.au/assessment/

---------------------------------
C Neville
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