I couldn't agree more (with Len). The discussion seems to be going
round in circles. My concern is that students engage critically with
their relevant discourse communities and this, for me, is what
referencing shows. The system they choose is not relevant.
Regards,
Julian Ingle
Leonard Holmes wrote:
> Peter
>
> Are we going anywhere with this? It seems to me that any attempt
> to
> 'discover' the 'true' meaning of 'list of references' and
> 'bibliography' is senseless. Personally, I can't see any reason why
> we'd want students to list texts they ***claim*** to have read. But
> we
> surely do wish them to engage in the academic practice of citing
> (indicating a source at the appropriate point in the text) and
> providing full bibliographic details (references/ bibliography).
>
> As for ***how*** these are presented, I do know that the
> bibliographic management program EndNote can produce
> bibliographic/ referencing outputs in over 1300 styles!
> see
> http://www.adeptscience.com/products/refman/endnote/new9.html
>
> WriteNote, which is web-based and intended for student use, has
> over 1000 output styles
> see
> http://www.adeptscience.co.uk/products/refman/writenote/features.h
> tml
>
> Talk about 'letting a thousand flowers bloom'!
>
> These are the actual styles of real-live publications/ publishers,
> although most are variations/ 'flavours' of Harvard (author/ date) or
> Vancouver (numbered). They're not some never-published-teacher's
> half-baked idea about what is 'the correct way'.
>
> Personally, I can't understand why teaching staff in higher
> education do not use one of the software packages for managing
> their bibliographic work. At the very least, the free (yes!)
> BiblioExpress package
> (http://www.biblioscape.com/biblioexpress.htm)
> which can output in the APA (American Psych Assoc), MLA
> (Modern Language Assoc) and ACS (American Chemical Soc)
> styles.
>
> As for problems students seem to be having, well there is plenty of
> guidance, not least the Online Writing Lab stuff
> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/research/
>
> But it still seems to me that it's more a problem that teaching staff
> have **and create**, and better to be addressed as a training issue,
> not a policy matter.
>
> regards
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Feb 2006, at 14:48, Peter Wilson wrote:
>
>
>>I attach the latest (developing) blast in my concerns about the
>>dispute that will run and run...
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>Peter Wilson
>>University Teaching Fellow
>>Academic Writing and Study Skills Adviser
>>Study Advice Services
>>University of Hull
>
>
>
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