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Re: Staff race equality networks

From:

Kirsteen Coupar email <[log in to unmask]>

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HE Administrators equal opportunities list <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 12 May 2008 09:33:20 +0100

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I must admit I find that this dialogue is focussing on only one part of
race equality, that of the experience of the BME community. Although it is
very clear that this community continues to experience levels of
discrimination and harassment, race equality is not confined to one race or
group of races, but encompasses everyone, so a person of any culture or
racial background should be considered as a 'qualified' candidate for a
post.  To raise an expectation that a race equality specialist should be
BME would, in fact, be racist.

I don't believe the analogy between men counselling female rape victims
holds, as a female counsellor for female victims is a 'like on like'
situation which may be excepted under legislation, but everyone is of a
particular race, so it is not an apt comparison.

Kirsteen

Kirsteen Coupar
Diversity Manager
Flat 19A, Catherine of Aragon Court
Southwood Site
Avery Hill Campus
University of Greenwich
Eltham
London SE9 2UG

Direct line: 020 8331 8817



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Hi Anthony,

A moot topic!! Although you do not have to from a BME community to
empathise with or represent (in many instances) them, it could be seen as
inappropriate. There are many professionals within the Equality & Diversity
arena that do not understand the power dynamics of racism and certainly
very little of the historical context. If we were to use the "one size fits
all" assumption and negate the issue of power in a relationship then there
is a good argument that men should staff and counsel female rape victims,
regardless of how inappropriate or insensitive it may be.

This explanation probably will raise more questions, nevertheless, I
believe it is a valid argument.



Kind regards,


Dipen


Dipen Rajyaguru LL.B (Hons)
Health Equality & Diversity Specialist
Barnet PCT
020 8937 7709

      -----Original Message-----
      From: HE Administrators equal opportunities list
      [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Anthony Houldsworth
      Sent: 08 May 2008 15:31
      To: [log in to unmask]
      Subject: Re: Staff race equality networks

      Hi,
      The question is for you Dipen but it is an interesting debate for
      all; why would one want to question why they have put a white female
      in to look at race equality in the first instance?
      Anthony

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      Anthony Houldsworth, FRGS, MNADP
      Diversity and Disability Advisor
      The Institute of Cancer Research
      Sir Richard Doll Building
      15 Cotswold Road,
      Sutton, SM2 5NG
      DL: 020 8722 4129
      Fax: 020 8722 4048
      Email: [log in to unmask]

      Visit the Equality and Diversity section of the intranet at
      http://intra.icr.ac.uk/hr/diversity/index.php

      >>> [log in to unmask] 08/05/2008 12:52 >>>
      Hi Jenny,

      We have a successful BME Staff network generally due to the fact that
      it has resources attached to it (we still had to apply through or
      charitable funds!). With money comes accountability, with
      accountability comes decision makers (board members etc) and with the
      decision makers comes action and through action you gain confidence
      of staff (i.e. "things are really happening"). The blocks come form
      those decision makers who do not have a clue (or possibly racist)
      regarding equalities and will argue 'that you do not need such a
      group as they cause inequalities and we are here to mainstream
      equality', and thereby endorsing the "one size fits all" programmes
      which cost a lot and do not achieve anything but provides an argument
      as to why multiculturalism does not work.

      As a white female you may be in a better position than your BME
      counterparts to argue for race equality as you  are not considered a
      threat (my opinion only), you may want to question why they have put
      a white female in to look at race equality in the first instance? (
      although you may be amply qualified and experienced).

      I hope this helps, I am happy to speak to off-line about
      inspirational speakers.



      Kind regards,


      Dipen


      Dipen Rajyaguru LL.B (Hons)
      Health Equality & Diversity Specialist
      Barnet PCT
      020 8937 7709



            -----Original Message-----
            From: HE Administrators equal opportunities list
            [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jenny Woodhouse
            Sent: 08 May 2008 11:30
            To: [log in to unmask]
            Subject: Staff race equality networks




            Dear colleagues


            I have recently taken over responsibility, pro tem, for work in
            the area of race equality.  We have recently attempted to
            launch a race equality network, with very little initial
            take-up.  As a white woman I can only speculate as to why this
            is - whether our global majority (thanks to Gus John for the
            formulation) staff simply don't want  a network, or whether the
            culture discourages them from seeking to network, for instance
            by locating the 'problem' with the individual rather than the
            culture (Carter, Fenton, Modood, c. 1998).


            I'd be very grateful for any information colleagues can give me
            about successful networks, how they have been set up, how they
            function, and any suggestion such as speakers who might help us
            to focus.


            With best wishes to all - sorry to trouble you again so soon!


            Jenny






            Jenny Woodhouse
            Equality and Diversity Policy Officer
            University of Cambridge Human Resources Division
            25 Trumpington Street
            Cambridge CB2 1QA
            01223 332344


            Please note  that I work part-time.  My normal working days are
            Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.



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