Dear All

I have found this list very useful as a reader than as a contributor &
would be disappointed if it lost its openness. I had no idea that
journalists were accessing the site & do think that must be stopped by
going to a closed position as suggested by Paul Marshall.

Having in a previous existence worked in the media (broadcasting rather
than print but the lack of ethics & search for story at all costs are if
anything even worse in print) I think it is extremely naive to think
journalists operate with any integrity or honesty to any particular
organisation. Journalist move papers that are ideologically opposed
without any problem. Perhaps after his latest scoop Mr Baty will get
promoted to NoW!

Ged Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: HE Administrators equal opportunities list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Osmond end
Sent: 24 August 2004 13:21
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Phil Baty


> Hi all

It would be a shame for the list to become closed to people other than
EO practitioners - I, for one, would not be allowed to be part of it in
that case.  I have found it very useful during the two staff equal opps
projects I have worked on and now I am investigating student retention
in the engineering school, the various threads about inclusion/potential
exclusion are very useful to me.

Perhaps a way forward is to discuss more sensitive matters 'off-list'
with particular colleagues?

Meanwhile, I would have thought it was in our interest to have Phil Baty
on-side - most educational journalists in my experience rarely want to
harm the sector they are reporting on, and indeed can become great
allies in the drive to improve standards.

Kind regards

Jane Osmond
Research Assistant
Coventry University

That's what I thought, Paul, but, clearly, I was mistaken.
>
> Susanna.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HE Administrators equal opportunities list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:48 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Times Higher
>
>
>   Susanna, can I suggest that the list owner/ moderator should try to
> identify how this reported picked up on the thread of this discussion.

> This list is intended to be private. Jiscmail should be able to help
> preserve security.
>
>   regards
>
>   Paul
>
>    l----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Susanna Hancock" <[log in to unmask]>
>   To: <[log in to unmask]>
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:47 AM
>   Subject: FW: Times Higher
>
>
>   >         Colleagues, as you will see from the attached, the mail
base
> is
>   > not a place where we can have an open discussion of EO  issues.
>   >
>   > Susanna.
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Baty, Phil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>   > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:30 AM
>   > To: Susanna Hancock
>   > Subject: Times Higher
>   >
>   >
>   > Susanna,
>   >
>   > As a courtesy, I wanted to let you know that I'd picked up on a
> thread
>   > on a web discussion list where you expressed your discomfort about

> Mdx's
>   > admissions policies.
>   >
>   > I'm making some enquiries to see if the university's policy is
> unfair/discriminatory or not.
>   >
>   > I hope this doesn't cause you too much embarrassment or
> difficulties with your colleagues at Mdx, but I'm sure you'll
> understand that its an
>   > important issue of great public interest.
>   >
>   > If you have any further comments, don't hesitate to get back to
me.
>   >
>   > Regards,
>   >
>   > Phil Baty
>   > Chief Reporter
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