But we are doing this. Aren't we?- Why discussing what we are doing. I
take it that this is what we are doing on this rainy, British, Saturday.
This is like the passing the salt metaphore. Why explicitely defining what
we are doing? Why not just do it? I do not understand.
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:13:51 +0100
>Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>I cannot tel you what to do with it how it should influence
>you and your life and ontology.
>
>Thanks Alon
>
>I'm not asking you to do this. I'm asking you questions in the hope and
the
>intention of satisfying my drive (Maslow) to learn and in a way that I might
>learn from your learning. I'm not asking you to train me to use your learning.
>
>Kind regards
>Sarah
>
>--
>Sarah Fletcher
>SL Mentoring and Induction, BSUC
>http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>Tel. 01225 875875
>
>
>Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> And yes, I am doing this communication and work as and in the role of
a
>> heuristics'
>> creator/constructor, illustrating and evaluating.
>>
>> As a clinician and therapist, I would interfere and make sure changes
are
>> being implemented. It would be in the contract. But as the advocator
>of
>> the heuristics, I cannot tel you what to do with it how it should influence
>> you and your life and ontology. This would be a complete antithesis to
>the
>> heuristics and the whole point of and for it. The heuristics is grounded
>> on/in a unique individual being and the way he/she, me for that matter,
>> self-contruct
>> and self-develop his/her/my ontology.
>>
>> Alon
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:24:29 +0100
>> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> >From: Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Sarah
>> >
>> >What do I mean I am not interested, I am sharing the way I improve my
>life
>> >with you and with others publicly. I am putting my personal ethics
and
>> >self-developing account of how I lead a better existence in the world
>in
>> >the public domain for others to engage with.
>> >
>> >This a significant question - the most significant one I think - how
to
>> lead
>> >a gratifying existence of good quality - and we need all the help we
can
>> >get. There is nothing to be too pround about. So we are sharing it.
>> >
>> > It is up to you to decide what to derive from it, to be influenced or
>to
>> >think it is a total waste of time and complete nonesense for you. I
>think
>> >this is what education all about, exposing information but not further
>than
>> >this. It is up to the exposed not the exposing to evaluate it and absorb
>> >or dismiss it.
>> >
>> >For me, when the exposing agent goes further then putting his/her values
>> >and account to the other publicly and start telling the exposed what
to
>> do
>> >with it, then it becomes preaching, negative pedagogy, scholastics and
>being
>> >pretentious. I am also influenced by Ionesco's La leçon.
>> >
>> >Here is my account - do whatever you want with it. I am going no further
>> >than this.
>> >
>> >Alon
>> >>-- Original Message --
>> >>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:51:24 +0100
>> >>Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>re. Alon's posting 30/07/05 All I need to do is convey my intended
>> improvement,
>> >>the way I intend to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss
>how
>> >>it is
>> >>done, as a heuristics.
>> >>
>> >>Hi Alon - thanks for responding - as a practitioner researcher on this
>> BERA
>> >>list
>> >>I am hoping to understand how I might learn from your research to assist
>> >>me as a
>> >>teacher, mentor and researcher. I respect your work and your thinking.
>> >>As I read your posting these questions come to mind. I hope you will
>> respond.
>> >>We seem to have very different ontological values; not a matter of
>> right/wrong
>> >>So you are not focused on anything other than communicating what you
>> discover?
>> >>You are not interested in how this might assist other to improve their
>> lives?
>> >>You don't have a moral imperative beyond that which immediately affects
>> >you?
>> >>Is there an evidential basis upon which you make claims in evolutionary
>> >theory
>> >>and how are you triangulating/validating outcomes of your ontological
>> study?
>> >>
>> >>I am trying to understand how your depiction of your ontology
>> aligns/doesn't
>> >>align with Harre's notion of the 3 selves which I find a very useful
>> metaphor.
>> >>One of the selves is constituted by how I am distinct from others, another
>> >>by
>> >>my own perspective of the world and a third by how I am perceived by
>> others.
>> >>I would add a further perspective of role - my self changes according
>to
>> >>role.
>> >>As a schoolteacher I am charged with being in loco parentis, as a
>> researcher
>> >>I
>> >>seek to adhere to BERA's and Frankena's ethical guidelines and as a
mentor
>> >>I
>> >>align to Simon Riding's account of 'living myself through others. I
am
>> looking
>> >>to learn from you - as I perceive your research is intended to be
>> educational?
>> >>
>> >>Kind regards,
>> >>Sarah
>> >>
>> >>http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Quoting [log in to unmask]:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Sarah
>> >>>
>> >>> Luckily, my heuristics is based on my self-improvement and
>> self-development
>> >>> - evaluating and assessing my well-being, self-gratification,
>> self-respect
>> >>> and ontological security through looking at my self-disappointment,
>> personal
>> >>> non-gratification and malaise. As contributing fulfills me. As the
>> ethics
>> >>> fulfills. As the exclusively aesthetic does not fulfil me as an
>> ontological
>> >>> essence. It can work as a valid contribution. I create this heuristics
>> >>> as a means to conceive and study human existence as an ontologist
and
>> >>> constructing
>> >>> crtical psychologist.
>> >>>
>> >>> Luckily after a previous thesis in theoretical/Philosophical psychology
>> >>and
>> >>> Philosophy - I no longer need to looke at this type of philosophy
>as
>> >my
>> >>> scope. All I need to do is convey my intended improvement, the way
>I
>> >intend
>> >>> to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss how it is done,
>as
>> >>a
>> >>> heuristics.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alon
>> >>>
>> >>> >-- Original Message --
>> >>> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:33:06 +0100
>> >>> >Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> >From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Is the outside constituted by the inside of the outside - in addition
>> >>to
>> >>> >the
>> >>> >interaction with the outside of others' insides? I am reflecting
also
>> >>on
>> >>> >the
>> >>> >notion of 'role', Alon, as I engage with interest in your writing
>on
>> >the
>> >>> >list
>> >>> >So if one adopts the role say of a researcher and also of a teacher
>> where
>> >>> >the
>> >>> >ontological values may be quite different - is this one outside of
>one
>> >>> inside
>> >>> >or a multiplicitous outside and inside, which is elected (ie as roles)
>> >>or
>> >>> >not?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >My doctoral thesis focuses on the tri-multiplicity of myself as a
>> >>> professional
>> >>> >educator - as teacher, mentor and researcher and how my ownontological
>> >>> values
>> >>> >conflate but sometimes, apparently at least, contradict one another.
>> >It
>> >>> is
>> >>> >a
>> >>> >self-study action research account of how I have come to be a research
>> >>> mentor.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Now if my outside as a multiplicitous educator is constituted by
my
>> inside
>> >>> >as
>> >>> >someone seeking to Nurture Courage to Be (after Tillich) and
>> actualisation
>> >>> >(after Maslow)is my outside not also constituted by my interaction
>with
>> >>> the
>> >>> >outsides of the pupils, teacher researchers and others with whom
I
>do
>> >>> research
>> >>> >('with' is a more accurate description than saying others I do research
>> >>> 'on')
>> >>> >and thence by interaction with their insides which are manifested
>as
>> >>> outsides?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >All this before breakfast on a Saturday morning!
>> >>> >Have a good weekend everyone,
>> >>> >Sarah
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> The conclusions from my Ontological study is that the outside is
>in
>> >>the
>> >>> >> inside because the inside is all I have with no exist (huis clos).
>> >
>> >>The
>> >>> >> outside is because of the inside who is responsible for the outside.
>> >>> It
>> >>> >> is still me who is trying to go outside me to go inside. The inside
>> >>is
>> >>> >> perhaps not enough but is all I have.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The ouside reflects on my inside as the inside reflects on itself.
>> >
>> >>But
>> >>> >> the outside cannor reflect on itself. The inside cannot escape
>> itself.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Alon
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:09:55 +0100, Sarah Fletcher
>> >>> >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >Hi Alon -
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >I'm sure you know this. In case others aren't familar with it,
>I
>> thought
>> >>> >> I'd
>> >>> >> >send. I'd love to see Alon Rayner's depiction of this inside-outside
>> >>> in
>> >>> >> oils.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >One is inside
>> >>> >> >then outside what one has been inside
>> >>> >> >One feels empty
>> >>> >> >because there is nothing inside oneself
>> >>> >> >One tries to get inside oneself
>> >>> >> >that inside of the outside
>> >>> >> >once one tries to get oneself inside what
>> >>> >> >one is outside:
>> >>> >> >to eat and to be eaten
>> >>> >> >to have the outside inside and to be
>> >>> >> >inside the outside
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >But this is not enough. One is trying to get
>> >>> >> >the inside of what one is outside inside, and to
>> >>> >> >get iside the outside. But one does not get
>> >>> >> >inside the outside by getting the outside inside
>> >>> >> >for;
>> >>> >> >although one is full inside of the inside of the outside
>> >>> >> >one is on the outside of one's own inside
>> >>> >> >and by getting inside the outside
>> >>> >> >while one is on the inside
>> >>> >> >even the inside of the outside is outside
>> >>> >> >and inside oneself there is still nothing
>> >>> >> >There never has been anything else
>> >>> >> >and there never will be
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Laing, R.D. (1972) 'Knots' Harmondsworth, Penguin Books, p. 83
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Thought for the week? Don't work too hard,
>> >>> >> >Warm regards,
>> >>> >> >Sarah
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> And another quote from Laing - The Bird of Paradise
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> if this I that is the wherewith and whereby is not anything
that
>> >>I
>> >>> know,
>> >>> >> >> then it is no thing - nothing.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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