Dear All,
Maybe we should celebrate the fact that so many people make the
effort to contribute to discussions on this forum. We all obviously
feel passionate about our work and our students. This inevitably means
that we will feel strongly about issues, from the Government and anyone
else who makes decisions, that affect the people we teach, and
therefore our work.
Best Wishes,
Karina
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>From: [log in to unmask]
>Date: 03/07/2012 15:09
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subj: Re: news headlines
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>I personally am pleased that this forum has been used more recently to
keep us up to date with relevant information, to enable us to share and
diseminate good practice and ideas and to discuss pertinent issues. (
as opposed to simply research issues)For those who wish to rage
actively against the machine I suggest letters to MPs, newspapers, Home
Office and positive support for Action for ESOL and NATECLA to raise
and challenge issues which affect ESOL.It is clear that there are very
strong feelings out there - let's ensure that we work together to
ensure that the focus is on the needs of ESOL learners.
>
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> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:41:09 +0100
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: news headlines
>To: [log in to unmask]
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>Message
> When I joined this list it was an ESOL Research list; many
posts these days increasingly appear to be anti-govt rants (which
started while Labour were in power, but have increased in number since
the Coalition appeared). Poor Sheila asked a reasonable question and
got a barrage in response. I’m with Hugo at being astonished at being
accused of being complicit in government organised ignorance and
hatred, and justifying it all by saying our history is at fault. Can we
please get this list back to its original purpose. There are doubtless
other forums, inc. Facebook, for people who want to rage against the
machine. B. Barbara Spence
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2012 From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hugo Kerr
>Sent: 02 July 2012 19:37
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: news headlines To be absolutely honest I am disgusted and
enraged to be told I have "given in to Home Office fear, ignorance and
hatred". My post merely stated some facts. I am aware that our history
was frequently indefensible - like all others' actually - And of course
that gives additional moral twists to what is a complicated issue or
set of issues. It does not provide carte blanche for any opinion, or
justification for disregarding facts. To deal with fear - given the
multitudinal problems facing the world today any grandfather (I am one)
who does not experience some fear needs to take a better newspaper.
Ignorance: where is your evidence of mine? Hatred: I expect an apology
for that one.
>
>www/HugoKerr.info
>On 2 Jul 2012, at 18:50, dominic mccabe
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:I am astounded by some posts to this
list and heartily endorse Frank Monaghan's earlier observations. I
think if we view diversity as precious and worth cherishing then giving
into Home Office fear hatred and ignorance will not help. If we don't
think our country can support many more people then we need to withdraw
our tacit support for economic, military and political policies
grounded in a we have three planets worth of resources perspective, and
founded on the notion that any resources in other countries really
belong to us. If we look at the people who are fleeing to our country a
cursory examination of our bloody history will reveal the part we have
played and still play in other people's suffering. William Gladstone,
MP and later Prime Minister, recorded in his diary that he was “in
dread of the judgement of God upon England for our national iniquity
towards China.” http://www.gentleapocalypse.com/2010/05/british-empire-israel.html
Dominic From: Hugo Kerr <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012, 8:
23
>Subject: Re: news headlines I think it is hear, hear. And I agree,
except that the UK is already very densely populated so in numerical
terms we may have a problem, especially once climate change begins to
drive population movements. We should be thinking, kindly but
rationally, about this issue. Racism is alive and well, if a little
dormant after years of what we thought were Good Times. We want nothing
to do with it, or it's language, which can seem reasonable but hides
malignancy. But globally there really is a problem, and it is growing
and being faced with unprecedented environmental difficulties. (what
happens when the rainy/dry season cycle really does founder across the
middle belt of our planet? What happens when the water dries up
underneath cities? When people find we, or the Chinese, or the
Brazilians, have bought the rights to their land?) We can fully agree
with Dr Monaghan while recognising there is still a mathematical and
political issue.
>www/HugoKerr.info
>On 2 Jul 2012, at 08:04, Claire Collins <c.
[log in to unmask]> wrote:Hear, hear (here, here?!) Frank - very well
said!
>
>Best regards,
>
>ClaireOn 02/07/2012 07:37, F.Monaghan wrote:I’m not pro-immigration
because it protects my job, though I’m very proud that The Open
University serves many people who have English as an additional
language. I’m pro-immigration because I’m English and no matter how you
look at it, English as a language and the people who have made it are
and always have been founded on diversity. At what point, Sheila, do
you think ‘multiculture’ started not working? When the Angles arrived?
Or was it the Jutes? Maybe the Normans then? I have no problem with my
tax money supporting the organisations you mention – I have far more of
a problem with it going on Trident and its successor, bank bail-outs,
and subsidies to public schools with their spurious claims to be
charities. Integration? Where is the integration in Eton ? In
Oxbridge? Our Law Courts? And, increasingly, our media? Frank
-----------------------------------------------------Dr Frank
MonaghanSenior Lecturer and Staff Tutor in EducationThe Open University
in London From: Sheila Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 02 July 2012 00:25
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: news headlines Why is everyone who contributes to this
site pro immigration? Is it to protect their jobs? We've had a basinful
of multiculture and it does not work. Our local council are giving
sizeable handouts to different communities to keep their culture -
Hindu Association, Roma, Asian women's Association. This is NOT
intergration and never will be Sheila Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 00:
07:06 +0100
>From: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: news headlines
>To: [log in to unmask] Surely the link in your blog should
be this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUH2YSFlVUAnyway, not to
worrry. God clearly will scatter the Queen's enemies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFd55Ib3gs&feature=related
(I wanted the Billy Bragg version, as it's more pertinent, but I can't
find it on YouTube) Julie Furnivall47 Hart Hill LaneLUTONLU2 0BATel:
01582 721907Mob: 07890 004521E-mail: [log in to unmask]
furnivallassociates.co.uk-----Original Message-----
>From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board [mailto:ESOL-
[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard Gresswell
>Sent: 01 July 2012 23:14
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: news headlinesDear Colleagues A musical comment to the
latest turn in the saga of the 'Life in the UK test' http://inglishteacher.com/god-save-the-queen/
Best wishesRichard From: Allegra Carlton <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012, 16:26
>Subject: Re: news headlines This sounds remarkably similar to
suspected witches being asked to recite the Lords Prayer, doesn't it.On
Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:12 PM, [log in to unmask]
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:By the way, I do realise England
won't be playing!
>Karina
>>----Original Message----
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Date: 01/07/2012 13:07
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subj: news headlines
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>>Hi all.
>>On my daily visit to Tesco, I usually glance at the newspaper
>>headlines in case there's anything interesting. In the Sunday
>Times,
>
>>the headline was about replacing the Life in the UK test. Through
>the
>
>>plastic wrapping! I could make out that to achieve British
>citizenship,
>
>>one criterion would be to know the words to the first verse of the
>
>>National Anthem. If this is a sign of a true British citizen, maybe
>
>>schools should be teaching it, and all footballers should sing
before
>a
>
>>match. I wonder how many will be singing this evening....
>
>>
>
>>Best Wishes,
>
>>
>
>>Karina
>
>>
>
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