OOps, forgot the attchement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Rayner (BU)" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "PHILIP TATTERSALL" <[log in to unmask]>;
"'Practitioner-Researcher'" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
> Dear Phil,
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Meanwhile, Roy has persuaded me of the need to prepare a 'Natural
> Inclusional Glossary'.
>
> I have made a start on this - see attached. Looks like it will be quite an
> endeavour.
>
> Warmest
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PHILIP TATTERSALL" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "'Alan Rayner (BU)'" <[log in to unmask]>;
> "'Practitioner-Researcher'" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:58 PM
> Subject: RE: Intangible Presence
>
>
>> Hello Alan,
>>
>> Many thanks for sharing these great emails!
>>
>> Roy's response is a beauty: "I am getting quite sure that the notions of
>> unity and wholeness are our own human impositions on a much more complex
>> and
>> unpredictable flux of nature. They are our Apollonian order-seeking
>> impulses
>> overriding the Dionysian wildness of life (and death). Let's hear it for
>> wildness!"
>>
>> Almost reads like an abstract for a very interesting paper!
>>
>> I love the NatureMoments initiative. It's gentle, well presented and
>> engaging.
>>
>> Warmest,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Rayner (BU) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2010 7:25 PM
>> To: Practitioner-Researcher
>> Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
>>
>> Dear Lee,
>>
>> Thank you very much. I do have a possible painting in mind, but whether I
>> get around to it remains to be seen. Perhaps you could paint the image in
>> your mind? I'd love that - real co-creativity!
>>
>> Yes, I think there may well be a relationship with prescience, which I
>> might
>> describe in terms of an electrifying sense of close attunement, affinity
>> or
>> rapport with my neighbourhood. It is especially strong when I experience
>> 'NatureMoments' (see attached leaflets), when painting or writing
>> poetically, when knowingly dreaming and when in the company of eager
>> learners (including myself). I suspect it may be related to
>> 'superchannel'
>> formation (portrayed in the attached painting as a deep kind of
>> connectivity). Some tell me that they sense an 'aura' around me on those
>> occasions, and I have indeed experienced some kind of clairvoyance in
>> them,
>> which I don't know what to make of. But it's not always a 'good' feeling.
>> One of my most prescient dreams occurred in early September 2001, when I
>> was
>> on a plane that was hijacked, flown into a vertical edifice and caught
>> fire
>> - I woke with a sense of my skin alight.
>>
>> As you may know, and as the poems below themselves relate, I do these
>> days
>> have a bit of a problem with the language of 'wholeness' and
>> 'connectedness', which I feel does not do justice to the depth, wonder,
>> fluidity and openness of the experience, and indeed, for me, can colonize
>> and stifle it. This is why I feel that 'natural inclusionality' reaches
>> beyond (whilst accommodating and transforming) abstract 'holism' and
>> 'whole
>> systems theory', and why I can feel very uncomfortable with glib
>> expressions
>> of the latter (NB I'm not accusing you of this, in fact I feel sure that
>> your intention is natural inclusional!!!), especially in the context of
>> 'decolonizing praxis'.
>>
>> My friend, Roy Reynolds, sent me the following comment last night, which
>> I
>> strongly agree with:
>>
>> "I am getting quite sure that the notions of unity and wholeness are our
>> own
>> human impositions on a much more complex and unpredictable flux of
>> nature.
>> They are our Apollonian order-seeking impulses overriding the Dionysian
>> wildness of life (and death). Let's hear it for wildness!"
>>
>>
>> Warmest
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lee Nicole Scott" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
>>
>>
>> Hi Alan
>> i really enjoyed Helter- Skelter. I get an incredible visual from it.
>> Have
>> you painted it?
>>
>> When i was reading about presence in your article, there were bits that
>> clicked me through to thinking about prescience. Without sounding wierd,
>> I
>> felt there was quite a strong link. I think this of this because when one
>> is
>>
>> well rounded, ok, when I am feeling balanced, whole, harmonious and
>> connected to the earth; then i have 'presence'(i.e- other people can
>> feel
>> my energy) . Then in this presence space,i experience this foreknowledge
>> /
>> prescience and it is a very good place to be. What do you think hey, what
>> do
>>
>> you experience?
>>
>> Happy days.
>>
>> Have a great weekend.
>> lee
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Practitioner-Researcher [[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Alan Rayner (BU) [[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 22 October 2010 08:40 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
>>
>> Dear Geisha and Pip,
>>
>> Thank you for your responses. It warms me to feel that my expressions of
>> 'A
>> gape in natural inclusional logic', through which the 'self' can breathe,
>> can bring some respite in the face of oppression and hope for
>> reformation.
>> That is indeed the 'hole point', as in the poems written below during and
>> just after the ALARA World Congress.
>>
>> Warmest
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> Inventure - Finding the hole in One
>>
>> To ask where's the gap in one's logic
>> Is to find the logic in one's gap
>> An entry place
>> For breath to take
>> In where there's warmth
>> To melt the ice
>> That binds the self
>> The one in the many
>> Or the many in one
>> That calls itself collective
>> In solitude
>> Where there's no way to reach
>> Out from within
>> Or outwith in
>> To where the song
>> Can sing
>> In resonant key
>> Through the hole of reciprocal welcome
>> Where the leverage point is agape
>>
>> .....
>>
>> Helter-Skelter
>> The Return of the Native
>>
>> Imagine yourself
>> Born under cover of darkness
>> In the shade of an umbrella
>> Pierced by peepholes
>> Into an other-worldly radiance
>> That shines on coralline ocean
>> Lapping up the shifting shores of landscape
>> Flowing in rocks and water
>> Air and fire streams
>> Breathed in and breathed out
>> By life itself
>> As endless variety
>> In this place you call home
>> That holds and caresses you
>> With open arms
>>
>> But there, at the edge of your stare
>> Where your home finds its limit horizon
>> Glinting with cut-glass precision
>> Is the baseline of prismatic structure
>> Abstracted out of kilter
>> A multi-story high rise power block
>> Splitting apart between seven floors
>> Each to its own paradox
>> Confined yet connected
>> Point to point
>> By a dichotomous tree
>> Inverted
>> With bottom at top
>> Bifurcating to lower orders
>> With multiple entry points
>> Where you can enter freely
>> From abasement
>> So long as you close the door behind you!
>>
>> Once inside this glass-cut space
>> There's no where for you to go but up
>> Beckoned by idealism
>> Of social or economic aspirations
>> Coloured monotonously
>> Red or Blue
>> Me or You
>> Us or Them
>> Here or There
>> Each a cut above the rest
>> Reached by ladders climbed assiduously
>> To the point where worlds collide
>>
>> Far above the ground you left behind
>> In a room where All presume to be One
>> Suffocating as a Whole
>> That claims from aloft
>> To be more than the parts
>> Beneath itself
>> From which it ascended
>> Only to bang its head
>> Against the ceiling
>> So near and yet so far
>> From what was shut outside
>> Less than a hare's breath away
>>
>> Yet, deep in the core of this prism
>> Reaches the umbrella's shaft
>> A focal passage
>> Receptive to all who reach for it
>> Without resistance
>> Lifting from base to apex
>> But not stopping there
>>
>> Instead emerging into slippery spiral gutter
>> By way of which the native returns
>> Whizzing gleefully down slope
>> To where he and she belong
>> Together as children playing
>> In the light of darkness
>> In the darkness of light
>> Learning along the way
>> That gathers before into after
>> Continually
>> With no need to get stuck in the prism
>> That seems to cut a dash in space
>> But can't.
>>
>>
>> .......
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: geisha rebolledo<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> To:
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:PRACTITIONER-RESEARCHER@JISCMA
>> IL.AC.UK>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
>>
>> Pip,
>> Thank you very much for your mail. Yes!! KIA KAHA !!! Greetings, Geisha
>>
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:17:49 +1300
>> From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Intangible Presence
>> To:
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:PRACTITIONER-RESEARCHER@JISCMA
>> IL.AC.UK>
>>
>> Dear Geisha and others
>>
>> Sad to hear what is happening in your country, Geisha. I know
>> universities
>> around the globe are under pressure - there are layoffs and union action
>> in
>> mine, I know. But not on the scale that you're describing.
>>
>> I will add your situation to my prayer list!
>>
>> Kia kaha (Maori expression meaning 'be strong', hang on in there)
>>
>> Pip
>>
>> On 22/10/2010 5:08 a.m., geisha rebolledo wrote:
>> Dear Alan and all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for comming back to the web. I was already wondering
>> what
>>
>> happen ?? It is a long time since I heard from you all .... You made me
>> happy again after this mail.... remember my context is full with
>> situations
>> that , specially in Caracas, encourege very little deep thinking like
>> this
>>
>> from Alan... For example my University is on a month strike because the
>> government reduce our salaryes and owns a debt from 2008, so there is
>> no
>> salary payments, we are in a real mess...... so to find this paper on
>> the
>> intangible is wonderful... If i could say something about it Alan I
>> could
>> start by telling you that thanks to the intangible we manage to survive
>> in
>> this context at the moment... people in order to avoid the problems,
>> specially those with socialistic government , also the 30.0 year
>> inflation
>>
>> , the killings arround, etc., turn to the intangible as the only way...
>> For
>> example during the past asembly elections there were pray meetings
>> everywere
>>
>> ... and there are small alternative places to go to meditate and to
>> learn
>> about spiritual subjects in order to fight this reality with intangible
>> weapons because that is were the fight is located at intangible fields.
>> Last week I attended a seminar on interdimensionality, this concept I
>> believe it is related to what you call the intangible. From my point of
>> view it is the main characteristic of the intangible. It helped me to
>> give a certain order to other concepts like those involve in your paper.
>> But
>>
>> another part is how the brain can become an interdimentional station for
>> communication with the intangible.... Well I stop here, I would like to
>> continue with this topic, many greetings, geisha
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:55:50 +0100
>> From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Intangible Presence
>> To:
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:PRACTITIONER-RESEARCHER@JISCMA
>> IL.AC.UK>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> FYPI, I have just drafted the attached short paper, and intend shortly to
>> post it to www.bestthinking.com<http://>.
>>
>> Warmest
>>
>> Alan
>>
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