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Re: Native speaker debate

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"Williams,Edward" <[log in to unmask]>

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Williams,Edward

Date:

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:50:46 +0000

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A couple of other references that are based on research and highlight 
issues in the NS/NNS debate (although they retain the terms):

Arva, V. & Medgyes, P. 2000. Native and non-native teachers in the 
classroom. System 28: 355-372

Milambiling, J. 2000. ‘How nonnative teachers fit into the equation’ 
TESOL Quarterly,  34, 2: 324-332.

Plus a book that people probably know about:
Davies, A, 2003. The native speaker: myth and reality. Multilingual 
matters: Clevedon.

cheers

Eddie Williams


James Simpson wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> On the 'native speaker' debate I recommend Ben Rampton's 1990 article
> in ELT Journal. Quite an old piece now, but still required reading
> for anyone tempted to divide the English-speaking world into 'native'
> and 'non-native'. Rampton rejects notions of 'native speaker' and
> 'mother tongue' in favour of consideration of people's expertise in a
> language, their language inheritance, and their affiliation towards a
> language. These are not necessarily all the same thing. The reference
> is: Rampton, M. B. H. (1990) Displacing the 'native speaker':
> expertise, affiliation, and inheritance ELT Journal 44/2, 97-101. The
> abstract reads:
> 
> The concepts native speaker and mother tongue are often criticized,
> but
> 
> they continue in circulation in the absence of alternatives. This
> article suggests
> 
> some. The terms language expertise, language inheritance, and
> language
> 
> affiliation sort out some of the mystification, and they allow us to
> 
> place educational questions of language ability and language loyalty
> alongside
> 
> a broader view of society.
> 
> 
> 
> If you can't get hold of this article, I can send you a .pdf version.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board on behalf of
> David Thornton Sent: Sat 01/11/2008 02:45 To:
> [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Native speaker debate
> 
> 
> Also try:
> 
> 
> 
> The struggle to teach English as an international language
> 
> Adrian Holliday
> 
> Oxford University Press
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:01:50 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] 
> Subject: Re: Native speaker debate To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> To the list,
> 
> If this is a topic that people on this list might want to take up,
> Color, Race and English Language Teaching: Shades of Meaning - edited
> by Andy Curtis and Mary Romney,  is an excellent resource, (if you've
> not already read it).  The contributed chapters explore the
> intricacies of being a TESOL professional of color.  Whose language?
> Whose authority?
> 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=D0IAov9RElsC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=%22color+race+and+english+language+teaching%22&source=web&ots=B5knevT-EX&sig=EEHNDuxwCH9xs33FbI_MRDPsHBA#PPA40,M1
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=D0IAov9RElsC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq="color+race+and+english+language+teaching"&source=web&ots=B5knevT-EX&sig=EEHNDuxwCH9xs33FbI_MRDPsHBA#PPA40,M1>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> From: Ibrar Butt <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Ibrar Butt
> <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:34:46 +0000 To:
> <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Native speaker debate
> 
> Are native speaker teachers automatically the best teachers of a
> language? Just because you speak a language naturally, does that mean
> you can teach it? Or does the process of learning a language to a
> high level of fluency make non-native speaker teachers far better
> equipped to teach that language?
> 
> You might like to read the discussion on this topic on the BBC Learn
> English website at; 
> http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
> <http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers>
> <http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers>
> 
> 
> Ibrar
> 
> 
> 
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