Thanks for understanding my heresy Alan - love the crab - feels JUST like
it!


On 6/3/08 7:14 PM, "Alan Rayner (BU)" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear Je Kan,
> 
> Yes, you're quite right - a blind alley does have its point, especially when
> one doesn't stay stuck up it and it is perceived as an openly receptive hole
> not a fixed, closed whole (I'm playing with words here!).
> 
> I feel so delighted and moved to hear about the transformation of my
> painting into the intense viscosity of stained glass! What you describe
> really is along the truly continuous flow-lines of  the 'hole point', the
> breathing space of the fluid dynamic transfigural mathematics of loving
> influence, which we discussed together last summer (which Jack recorded and
> is available in three You Tube clips at www.inclusional-research.org). I'm
> also attaching a recent image of 'spheres of influence' along these
> flow-lines, featuring the 'superchannel', which takes us beyond the
> objective mathematical physics of 'superstring theory' via the dynamic
> inclusion of darkness (space) in light and vice versa....
> 
> And as Marie notes, the hole point of inclusionality rests in the
> recognition that the very idea of 'subjectivity' is an artefact of the
> definitive objective dislocation of 'self' from neighbourhood - and
> associated detachment of self from reality - which can indeed, as Susie
> notes, seem to serve a self-protective purpose when we are immersed in a
> hostile culture (as per my 'Hermit Crab' poem, attached).
> 
> The inter-subjectivity that Jack refers to relates in my mind with the role
> of autochthonous 'sharing circles' in the bringing together of uniquely
> situated perspectives, as distinct from the hegemonic dominance of a one
> sided perspective, in our understanding of natural communion in an
> omnipresent pool of common space.
> 
> 
> Love
> 
> Alan
> 
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rev Je Kan Adler-Collins" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: AA Thread 1 07-08 Raising issues, asking questions, and making
> networking available for practiti
> 
> 
> a warm hello from a very cold Japan,
> 
> Jack, Alan, friends, a blind alley,,, huuuum I not so sure does not a
> blind alley have its purposes? Like to take us somewhere on a journey
> that stops and as we retrace our steps we are blessed with mindful
> insights, nothing is wasted or lost for all is learning ,are not all
> journeys blind if we choose not to see or open our eyes or chose to
> see what we see as real and permanent or even a truth?. Alan, I am
> busy turning one of your pictures into a stained glass window for the
> healing space in the university as I am doing this and apply the form
> of construction of lead window which has to follow physical rules of
> engineering and crafting. Glass can only be cut in certain shapes and
> directions as it is a liquid for example. I am struck how the lead
> acts as a new boundary to the form of your original picture. I am most
> vividly stuck by the flow of the painting which was not so apparent at
> first but trying to fit your flow in to the constructs of the lead is
> indeed changing the form and challenging. However the changed form has
> opened the picture up to others as they view the different panes of
> the lead forms, focus on any one loses the context of the whole. It
> has allowed me to start talking about dynamic boundaries and flow of
> form and shape with a degree of transition certaintyŠsmile.  I will
> send you a picture when it is finished. Spring is here again heralded
> by the well know voice of the cuckoo and the return of the swifts and
> swallows a little early I feelŠLove to all Je Kan
> 
> Quoting Jack Whitehead <[log in to unmask]>:
> 
>> 
>> On 5 Mar 2008, at 09:47, Alan wrote in response to Brian's point  about
>> objectivity:
>> 
>> Dear Brian and All,
>> 
>>> "Isn't the search for objectivity  a blind alley in human enquiry?"
>> 
>> 
>> When asked about the validity of first-person accounts from
>> practitioner-researchers, in terms of their 'objectivity' I've  usually
>> responded with the following insight from Popper about the  importance
>> of
>> 'inter-subjective criticism'
>> 
>> "The words Œobjective¹ and Œsubjective¹ are philosophical terms    heavily
>> burdened with a heritage of contradictory usages and of    inclusive and
>> interminable discussions.
>> 
>> My use of the terms Œobjective¹ and Œsubjective¹ is not unlike Kant/  s.
>> He uses the work Œobjective¹ to indicate that scientific   knowledge
>> should be justifiable, independently of anybody¹s whim:   ŒIf something
>> is valid¹, he writes, Œfor anybody in possession of   his reason, then
>> its grounds are objective and sufficient¹.
>> Now I hold that scientific theories are never fully justifiable or
>> verifiable, but that they are nevertheless testable. I shall    therefore
>> say that objectivity of scientific statements lies in the   fact that they
>> can be inter-subjectively tested. The word    Œsubjective¹ is applied by
>> Kant to our feelings of conviction (of    varying degrees)ŠŠ I have since
>> generalized this formulation; for    inter-subjective testing is merely a
>> very important aspect of the    more general idea of inter-subjective
>> criticism, or in other words,   of the idea of mutual rational control by
>> critical  discussion."   (Popper, 1975, p.44)
>> 
>> Popper, K. (1975) The Logic of Scientific Discovery,  London;
>> Hutchinson & Co.
>> 
>> I know that a lot of understanding and misunderstanding in
>> communications, is related to the meanings of the words we use.  When
>> asked about the 'objectivity' of practitioner-researcher accounts I
>> usually point to the grounding of 'objectivity' in 'intersubjective
>> criticism' and show how the validity of first-person accounts has  been
>> strengthened with the help of the four social criteria I  mentioned in
>> an earlier note, of comprehensibility, truth, rightness  and
>> authenticity, from Habermas' ideas on communication and the  evolution
>> of society.
>> 
>> I'm thinking that Brian and Alan are in agreement that the search for
>> objectivity is a 'blind alley in human enquiry'. When I'm asked
>> questions about the objectivity of my accounts I usually find that  I'm
>> being asked about 'tests' of validity and I answer in the way
>> described above that enables a relationship to be established between
>> subjective and objective, with intersubjective criticism.
>> 
>> Love Jack.
> 
> 
> 
> Rev Je Kan Adler-Collins.
> Associate Professor of Nursing,
> Health Promotion Centre.
> Fukuoka Prefectural University Faculty of Nursing
> Tagawa City,
> Fukuoka Prefecture,
> Japan.
> 8258585