I have a student whose daughter had a similar experience. HOwever, as
the daughter was on her mother's passport when she came to England, the
Home Office has managed to lose the mother's papers & refuse the
daughter's application, due to insufficient evidence! Not only £££
lost, but also the mother's ability to travel outside the UK, as she
cannot renew her Iranian passport or apply for a UK one until the Home
Office returns her originals. Perhaps a separate forum for discussion
of Home Office cock ups is needed? I'm sure we've all got many similar
stories!
denise
Denise Mullen
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>>> Alison Newbery <[log in to unmask]> 27/02/2008 >>>
At a bit of a tangent, I wanted to share a distressing case. A Somali
student of mine at E1 level, with weak literacy, has mistakenly
submitted a
Citizenship application, believing her college internal esol
certificate to
be sufficient. She now stands to lose nearly £600 since she is unlikely
to
manage the test. She should take and hopefully pass the Skills for Life
E1
exam in the summer but the Home Office have said they would not
normally
hold a case open so long. It seems hard to justify keeping £600, which
she
can ill afford! I wonder how many others have had similar experiences.
On 27/2/08 2:00 pm, "Anne Greenall" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The problems I have with this are twofold:
>
> 1) it should not be the awarding bodies duty to Œpolice¹
institutions.
> They have enough to do ensuring they offer fair, quality
assessments!
>
>
>
> 2) my understanding is that we are NOT allowed to offer courses
where
> the sole aim is to provide a certificate that will help people
achieve
> citizenship; the alternative to the test is through evidence of
language
> competence, a SfL certificate (which is the summative assessment of
a
> bona-fide LANGUAGE course including citizenship but not exclusively
so).
>
>
>
> My proposal would be that only institutions subject to the rigour of
an Ofsted
> inspection should be offering certificates in Skills for Life. If
their remit
> does not cover all providers then there is an unfair anomaly that
should be
> addressed
>
>
>
> Anne Greenall
>
> Greenwich Community College
>
>
>
>
> From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James Simpson
> Sent: 27 February 2008 11:51
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: Earned citizenship: (message from Jo Luff, ABNI)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jo Luff [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 27 February 2008 11:47
> To: celine castelino; Fatma Alioua; James Simpson
> Cc: Patel Bharti (ABNI); [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of
fortress Europe
>
> Dear all,
> I am aware that there are organisations who are offering, at a price,
short
> "Citizenship" courses.
>
> There is no legal reason why "Preparation for Citizenship test"
courses
> should not be offered. However there is no designated funding for
such courses
> and therefore providers have to charge.These courses should enable
people
> (whose English is above E3 level) to study and discuss Life in the UK
handbook
> in order that they have a better chance at passing test.
>
> The issue is that participants are led to believe that they can get
a
> certificate,which avoids the need for them to take the Life in the UK
test.
>
> This is only possible if the provider is registered with one of the
main
> accreditation bodies and can therefore organise an Entry level Skills
for life
> Listening and Speaking exam for learners.
>
> There is some evidence that these exams have been organised, but the
awarding
> bodies concerned are under investigation and have withdrawn their
app
roval
> when it has been shown to them that a particular organisation is not
offering
> bona fide ESOL courses leading to their qualification.
>
> However it is important to continue to expose such providers,so
please ensure
> that they are reported.
>
> Jan Luff (ABNI)
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> CC: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of
fortress Europe
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:14:50 +0000
>
> Dear All
>
> ABNI does not approve or accredit courses nor, as far as I am aware,
does the
> Home Office. The Home Office clearly sets out the requirements for
> citizenship on its websites and the information it sends out to
candidates as
> reiterated by Fatma. ABNI and the Life in the UK group, its
predecessor,
> advocated courses on Citizenship for those candidates with English
language
> skills above Entry 3 delivered by bona fide organisations and
supported by
> state funding, there was no expectation that they or the Home Office
would
> formally approve these as neither has the infrastructure to do so nor
would
> they wish to create a whole new bureaucratic layer. ABNI and the
Home Office
> are both concerned about organisations who are exploiting
prospective
> applicants and propogating misleading information. ABNI will continue
to raise
> these issues with officials/MPs and we shall get back to you with the
outcomes
> of our discussions.
>
> Please keep us informed.
>
> All the best
>
> Celine
>
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>> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:37:20 +0000
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of
fortress
>> Europe
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> > Yes this is a good question. I am not aware of any qualification
being
>> > recognized by the Home Office outside the ones agreed by QCA. If
there
>> > are internal courses on Citizenship accepted by the H.O then we
can all
>> > apply for the recognition of our own, that of course will save
time for
>> > our learners.
>> >
>>>>> > >>> Cathy Burns <[log in to unmask]> 25/02/2008 14:54 >>>
>> >
>> > Does this info need to go to ABNI? Are these short courses
definitely
>> > Home
>> > Office approved?
>> >
>> >
>> > Cathy
>> > NATECLA National Centre
>> >
>> > In a message dated 25/02/2008 14:09:08 GMT Standard Time,
>> > [log in to unmask] writes:
>> >
>> > Citizenship is a hot topic amongst ESOL learners in my area too.
Many
>> > E1,2
>> > and 3 learners who are not up to taking the on-line Citizenship
test,
>> > are
>> > being persuaded to join short, 7-week courses. These are being
>> > advertised
>> > locally with the promise of an ESOL certificate at the end, as
well
>> > evidence
>> > of 20 hours' of Citizenship, all for the princely sum of £190.
Some of
>> > these
>> > learners are already in ESOL classes (like my own) with other
>> > providers,
>> > usually taking a year to progress a level in speaking and
listening
>> > (and
>> > R&W) and to cover some Citizenship material.
>> >
>> > Although I understand that such short courses are approved by the
Home
>> >
>> > Office, I find the whole business distasteful
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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