Thanks Alan - yes understand about seeing things as a whole - but I am
trying to understand something other than seeing (visually or cognitively)
for a moment, more like an embodied sense of "feeling" knowing - in the
moment of recognition that Jack identified.... It is very hard to put
accurately into words so please forgive me.... If I can dwell on this sense,
integrating it into seeing might come later. My hunch is that we depend too
much on "seeing" which has the cognitive result of turning everything into
an object and distancing us the observer unless we make a big effort to do
otherwise. Other felt senses of knowing, like feeling knowing, could mean
that we have a very different construction of self and our orientation in
the organic world. Susie
On 1/2/07 7:00 PM, "A.D.M.Rayner" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Susie and All,
>
> Welcome back into the stream, the water's lovely!
>
> Ah yes! But really to feel the stream, there is a need to view the picture
> as a hole.
>
>
> Warmest
>
> Alan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Goff <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 01 February 2007 00:58
> Subject: "Feel that I know"
>
>
>> "I look at the picture as a whole and feel that I 'know'
>> from personal experience the material context"
>>
>>
>> Dear Jack and everyone..
>> I just want to pay attention to this line that you wrote.
>>
>> I want to slow down, and explore what that "knowing" is. I don't think we
>> "know" enough about it and I think it is a potentially whole source of
> human
>> thought and ontology.
>>
>> When you say this, I connect with you, in understanding that sense of
>> recognition - of experience that is on the one hand completely unique and
> on
>> the other inalienable from all human experience, like a wondrous cosmic
>> tendril that winds through us, is of us and we make it what it is, across
>> all time and geography even though our cultures of knowing would lose
> sight
>> of this extraordinary human right of existence.
>>
>> I am reminded of Alan's beautiful reference to Wordsworth in his
> manuscript
>> which I am currently reading:
>>
>> "In nature everything is distinct, yet nothing defined into absolute
>> independent singleness"
>>
>> (Forgive me Alan for quoting your reference, I will be quoting you when I
> am
>> finished with the read!).
>>
>> So, in reference to this discussion about the power of images to
> communicate
>> knowledge, I wanted to dwell on knowledge not as information, but as this
>> living stream of a thing we call experience, and note how rich a pool that
>> is once we sense it "bodily" and culturally alive within and around us -
> and
>> to advocate for a significant turning towards understanding it and making
>> "it" the ground in which we are....
>>
>> Logically (instinctively), it is perhaps the most accurate form of
> knowledge
>> with which to sense the state of our ecology (sociological and
> environmental
>> etc etc) - and potentially the road back/towards being in nature again.
>>
>> Lovely to be in the stream with you guys again
>> Susie
>>
>> On 25/1/07 6:59 PM, "Jack Whitehead" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> ?
>>
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