Hello again,
Recovering well...sleeping, painting and reading!!
I thought somebody might be interested in Smitz'
comments that I have been reading:
after summarising "know" in the ancient Hebrew text he
says,
"While the Greeks were concerned with detached
knowledge and a speculative interest in the
metaphysical nature of things , the Old Testament
regards knowledge as something which continually
arises from personal encounter"
(see pp392-409 Dictionary of New Testament Theology
Ed. Colin Brown Paternoster 1976)
The questions of interest to me are:
1. In what ways do I know through personal
encounter, and how do I take account of "Feel that I
know", and 'know as personal encounter' in my
practitioner research?
2. and how can I build-in checks and balances to take
standards of quality seriously?
in post-operative haze!
Brian
--- Susan Goff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Alan
> I am reading the poem over, will look at the link
> and am learning...
> Thank you
>
>
> On 2/2/07 7:42 PM, "A.D.M.Rayner"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Susie,
> >
> > Yes, that's exactly the point I was making: to
> 'see with feeling' it is
> > necessary to perceive the 'space', not just the
> fixed frame perspective of
> > the 'viewfinder' that leads to objectifiction.
> This is the essence of
> > inclusional experience and what enables a crowd to
> flow by orienting with
> > the ever transforming current (present shape of
> space) rather than
> > dislocated 'objects'. When we're in objective,
> rationalistic 'see only'
> > mode, we 'wrong foot one another' like calculating
> machines on collision
> > course; when we're in 'see with feeling' mode we
> glide easily around one
> > another. My friend Ted Lumley has written
> extensively about this: see
> > www.goodshare.org. And my 'how pure eyesight can
> dislocate your knee'
> > exercise is also intended to reveal it.
> >
> > Yes, we do in a sense have sixth and seventh
> senses - those that feel
> > invisible 'gravity' and 'warmth', but they're not
> associated with explicit
> > organs on the outside of our bodies (ears, eyes,
> nose, tongue, skin) and so
> > get taken for granted, rather than being
> understood as vital to our
> > inclusional 'proprioception' as Margarida Dolan
> attests - our sense of
> > self-location in the gravitational and thermal
> (i.e. receptive spatial)
> > field. They are also vital to our emotional
> experience of the loving
> > presence of absence, pervading all, known to some
> as God, Holy Ghost,
> > Brahman, Dao etc. When we know this presence, we
> no longer believe in 'the
> > ghost in the machine', the internal executive that
> declares us to be
> > independent from Nature, with our very own 'free
> will'. Neither do we
> > believe in determinism.
> >
> >
> > The poem below is about this.
> >
> >
> > As Mohsen might put it, may you enjoy the warm
> pool of gravitational
> > reception, where darkness is vital for our natural
> neighbourhood!
> >
> >
> > Darkest warmth of heavenly laughter in which the
> Devil may come to care and
> > be cared for,
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> >
> > BEYOND OBJECTIFICTION
> >
> > You ask me who you are
> > To tell a story you can live your life by
> > A tail that has some point
> > That you can see
> > So that you no longer
> > Have to feel so pointless
> > Because what you see is what you get
> > If you don't get the meaning of my silence
> > Because you ain't seen nothing yet
> >
> > You ask me for illumination
> > To cast upon your sauce of doubt
> > Regarding what your life is all about
> > To find a reason for existence
> > That separates the wrong
> >> From righteous answer
> > In order to cast absence out
> > To some blue yonder
> > Where what you see is what you get
> > But you don't get the meaning of my darkness
> > Because you ain't seen nothing yet
> >
> > You look around the desolation
> > Of a world your mined strips bare
> > You ask of me in desperation
> > How on Earth am I to care?
> > I whisper to stop telling stories
> > In abstract words and symbols
> > About a solid block of land out there
> > In which you make yourself a declaration
> > Of independence from thin air
> > Where what you see is what you get
> > When you don't get the meaning of my present
> absence
> > Because you ain't seen nothing yet
> >
> > You ask of me with painful yearning
> > To resolve your conflicts born of dislocation
> >> From the context of an other world out where
> > Your soul can wonder freely
> > In the presence of no heir
> > Where what you see is what you get
> > When you don't get the meaning of my absent
> presence
> > Because you ain't seen nothing yet
> >
> > You ask me deeply and sincerely
> > Where on Earth can you find healing
> > Of the yawning gap between emotion
> > And the logic setting time apart from motion
> > In a space caught in a trap
> > Where what you see is what you get
> >
> > And in a thrice your mind is reeling
> > Aware at last of your reflection
> > In a place that finds connection
> > Where your inside becomes your outside
> > Through a lacy curtain lining
> > Of fire, light upon the water
> >
> > Now your longing for solution
> > Resides within and beyond your grasp
> > As the solvent for your solute
> > Dissolves the illusion of your past
> > And present future
> >
> > Now your heart begins to thunder
> > Bursting hopeful with affection
> > Of living light for loving darkness
> > Because you ain't felt no thing yet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Susan Goff <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: 01 February 2007 21:47
> > Subject: Re: "Feel that I know"
> >
> >
> >> Thanks Alan - yes understand about seeing things
> as a whole - but I am
> >> trying to understand something other than seeing
> (visually or cognitively)
> >> for a moment, more like an embodied sense of
> "feeling" knowing - in the
> >> moment of recognition that Jack identified.... It
> is very hard to put
> >> accurately into words so please forgive me.... If
> I can dwell on this
> > sense,
> >> integrating it into seeing might come later. My
> hunch is that we depend
> > too
> >> much on "seeing" which has the cognitive result
> of turning everything into
> >> an object and distancing us the observer unless
> we make a big effort to do
> >> otherwise. Other felt senses of knowing, like
> feeling knowing, could mean
> >> that we have a very different construction of
> self and our orientation in
> >> the organic world. Susie
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/2/07 7:00 PM, "A.D.M.Rayner"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Susie and All,
> >>>
> >>> Welcome back into the stream, the water's
> lovely!
> >>>
> >>> Ah yes! But really to feel the stream, there is
> a need to view the
> > picture
> >>> as a hole.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Warmest
>
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Brian E. Wakeman
Education adviser
Dunstable
Beds
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