Dear All,

Thank you for this response Alan,

If one posts a comment and then there is no response
.....it's a bit discouraging....so thank you.

I wonder sometimes if I'm the only person who thinks:
"I don't understand this", or "Hey ....surely that's
not the case in my experience".

Of course this is a distorted feeling....my son tells
me that in his "marketing, media, and sales" world,
one dissenting e-mail is worth a thousand unexpressed
concerns from people who don't have the time to write,
or are intimidated by status, or the learned
discourse.


Convivial regards to all


Brian

--- Alan Rayner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear Brian and all,
> 
> Just to emphasize that I do not share Alon's bleak
> vision of the self as 
> singularity, and indeed see this vision as
> inconsistent with his many 
> 'alternative' expressions of gushing, flowing,
> poetic, artistic, dynamic 
> individuality, ontology and heuristics.
> 
> The loving receptivity of 'space' ('darkness') that
> I speak of in 
> inclusional and electrogravitational terms is I
> think deeply akin to agape. 
> The fear of this loving receptivity is akin to the
> salt crystal desperately 
> seeking solution but scared of water, and so unable
> to open up to the 
> possibility of transformation - thereby
> self-immunizing from its 
> neighbourhood in a desperate attempt to sustain its
> ontological security 
> which is seemingly (but only seemingly) threatened
> with annihilation by 
> opening up trustingly to others in (dare I put it
> this way) holey 
> communion. This holey communion or 'common
> spiritedness' is identical in my 
> mind with what Jack has spoken of as 'conviviality'.
> Interestingly, 
> 'convivial' was the way that my term as President of
> the British 
> Mycological Society was described by some members of
> its 'Council'. As 
> convivial beings we can recognize convivial
> expression in others as an 
> aspect of ourselves. We can also 'choose' through
> mental abstraction to 
> ignore it and sentence ourselves to a life alone
> (All One).
> 
> With regard to the 'Achilles Syndrome' that I
> mentioned in another message, 
> I think the problem lies not with the Heel but in
> the egotistic attempt to 
> cover it up in the vain pursuit of individual (All
> One) perfection (which 
> is INCOMPATIBLE with an evolutionary process of
> Natural Inclusion, where 
> evolutionary perfection is a property of all in
> dynamic relationship, not 
> one in isolation). The Heel is vital, to be loved
> and valued, not covered 
> up in protective armour. The meek, who admit their
> vulnerability and work 
> convivially and complementarily through this
> admission, are the generative 
> source of evolutionary creativity. The strong-minded
> who deny their 
> vulnerability are the degenerative source of
> evolutionary totalitarianism, 
> the March of the Cybermen.
> 
> Of course in a community of desiccated salt crystals
> all objectively 
> wrapped up in themselves, the opening up (admission)
> of inclusional 
> possibility does indeed feel like a very dangerous
> and foolhardy 
> enterprise. More often than not it may meet with
> autoimmune rejection. But 
> it is vital to sustainable, co-creative, lovingly
> receptive-responsive 
> neighbourhood.
> 
> 
> Warmest
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> --On 14 December 2006 18:05 +0000 Brian wakeman
> <[log in to unmask]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Alon, Alan, Jack and All,
> >
> > Thanks for the correction folks.........
> >
> > but after forty years in education with my values
> > tested in the practical realities of life with
> > children, parents and colleagues......I still feel
> I
> > am inter-related with others...mutually dependent
> on
> > each other.....like parts of the body that are a
> > diversity but unity.....functioning for the
> greater
> > good by being committed to each
> other....appreciating
> > each other...rather than competing, aggressive,
> self
> > dominated....it comes at a cost of course ...being
> > hurt...feeling let down.....seeing the 'entropy',
> the
> > capacity of things to fall apart at work in
> > relationships and institutions...but that's the
> > sacrifice of a grander vision of human
> beings.......
> > beyond individualism....imperfectly expressed in
> the
> > 'agape' of my local community.
> >
> >
> > I guess part of the problem is my limited
> > understanding of  the vision that you are
> intimating
> > in your second sentence, Alon.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > --- Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> For once in my life I was not ironic.
> >>
> >> Since childhood, I have constructed a life
> >> philosophy and later a
> >> heuristic living ontological theory that is all
> >> about direct
> >> self-accountability within an autopietic
> >> transformation.  One can blame
> >> no one but himself/herself.
> >>
> >> I am not sure I rely on the mechanic or surgeon:
> I
> >> think I choose to go
> >> to them when something is wrong with my car or
> body
> >> and to hire them to
> >> help me help myself: more like giving a hook
> rather
> >> than fish.
> >>
> >> Human existence belongs to the person who
> embodies
> >> it and to him/her
> >> alone.  Others can assis if they wish.  But they
> >> cannot live another
> >> person's life.  This is the reason for my
> >> construction of a wholly
> >> embodied and embodied psychology/heristics of
> human
> >> exidstence.
> >>
> >> I am somewhat critical of the ideas of
> >> neighbourhood:  I think we are
> >> neibourhoods of individuals in the world
> >> interrelating for the
> >> construction of best neighbourhood we can
> construct
> >> in the taxes/deeds
> >> that we pay.
> >>
> >> Alan asked us to forward his email and then when
> we
> >> did not did it
> >> himself.  This prompted my reply.
> >>
> >> I think this is enough for now.  I am in the
> process
> >> of putting
> >> together and completing a play and an academic
> book
> >> and perhaps proze
> >> fiction/novel on it, mostly using transforming,
> >> living and unfolding
> >> blogs thayt stretch over and within time and
> space.
> >> Alon
> >>
> >> Quoting Brian wakeman <[log in to unmask]>:
> >>
> >> > Dear Colleagues,
> >> >
> >> > Sorry I can't let this one go without raising a
> >> query.
> >> >
> >> > Is this right in your experience?
> >> >
> >> > "Never ever rely on others"
> >> >
> >> > Part of the risk in living is "relying on
> others".
> >> > We are all fallible, and perhaps have been hurt
> >> and
> >> > let down by relying on others......
> 
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Brian E. Wakeman
Education adviser
Dunstable
Beds