re. Alon's posting 30/07/05 All I need to do is convey my intended improvement,
the way I intend to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss how it is
done, as a heuristics.
Hi Alon - thanks for responding - as a practitioner researcher on this BERA list
I am hoping to understand how I might learn from your research to assist me as a
teacher, mentor and researcher. I respect your work and your thinking.
As I read your posting these questions come to mind. I hope you will respond.
We seem to have very different ontological values; not a matter of right/wrong
So you are not focused on anything other than communicating what you discover?
You are not interested in how this might assist other to improve their lives?
You don't have a moral imperative beyond that which immediately affects you?
Is there an evidential basis upon which you make claims in evolutionary theory
and how are you triangulating/validating outcomes of your ontological study?
I am trying to understand how your depiction of your ontology aligns/doesn't
align with Harre's notion of the 3 selves which I find a very useful metaphor.
One of the selves is constituted by how I am distinct from others, another by
my own perspective of the world and a third by how I am perceived by others.
I would add a further perspective of role - my self changes according to role.
As a schoolteacher I am charged with being in loco parentis, as a researcher I
seek to adhere to BERA's and Frankena's ethical guidelines and as a mentor I
align to Simon Riding's account of 'living myself through others. I am looking
to learn from you - as I perceive your research is intended to be educational?
Kind regards,
Sarah
http://www.TeacherResearch.net
Quoting [log in to unmask]:
>
> Hi Sarah
>
> Luckily, my heuristics is based on my self-improvement and self-development
> - evaluating and assessing my well-being, self-gratification, self-respect
> and ontological security through looking at my self-disappointment, personal
> non-gratification and malaise. As contributing fulfills me. As the ethics
> fulfills. As the exclusively aesthetic does not fulfil me as an ontological
> essence. It can work as a valid contribution. I create this heuristics
> as a means to conceive and study human existence as an ontologist and
> constructing
> crtical psychologist.
>
> Luckily after a previous thesis in theoretical/Philosophical psychology and
> Philosophy - I no longer need to looke at this type of philosophy as my
> scope. All I need to do is convey my intended improvement, the way I intend
> to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss how it is done, as a
> heuristics.
>
> Alon
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:33:06 +0100
> >Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
> >From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >Is the outside constituted by the inside of the outside - in addition to
> >the
> >interaction with the outside of others' insides? I am reflecting also on
> >the
> >notion of 'role', Alon, as I engage with interest in your writing on the
> >list
> >So if one adopts the role say of a researcher and also of a teacher where
> >the
> >ontological values may be quite different - is this one outside of one
> inside
> >or a multiplicitous outside and inside, which is elected (ie as roles) or
> >not?
> >
> >My doctoral thesis focuses on the tri-multiplicity of myself as a
> professional
> >educator - as teacher, mentor and researcher and how my ownontological
> values
> >conflate but sometimes, apparently at least, contradict one another. It
> is
> >a
> >self-study action research account of how I have come to be a research
> mentor.
> >
> >Now if my outside as a multiplicitous educator is constituted by my inside
> >as
> >someone seeking to Nurture Courage to Be (after Tillich) and actualisation
> >(after Maslow)is my outside not also constituted by my interaction with
> the
> >outsides of the pupils, teacher researchers and others with whom I do
> research
> >('with' is a more accurate description than saying others I do research
> 'on')
> >and thence by interaction with their insides which are manifested as
> outsides?
> >
> >All this before breakfast on a Saturday morning!
> >Have a good weekend everyone,
> >Sarah
> >
> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> >> The conclusions from my Ontological study is that the outside is in the
> >> inside because the inside is all I have with no exist (huis clos). The
> >> outside is because of the inside who is responsible for the outside.
> It
> >> is still me who is trying to go outside me to go inside. The inside is
> >> perhaps not enough but is all I have.
> >>
> >> The ouside reflects on my inside as the inside reflects on itself. But
> >> the outside cannor reflect on itself. The inside cannot escape itself.
> >>
> >> Alon
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:09:55 +0100, Sarah Fletcher
> >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Alon -
> >> >
> >> >I'm sure you know this. In case others aren't familar with it, I thought
> >> I'd
> >> >send. I'd love to see Alon Rayner's depiction of this inside-outside
> in
> >> oils.
> >> >
> >> >One is inside
> >> >then outside what one has been inside
> >> >One feels empty
> >> >because there is nothing inside oneself
> >> >One tries to get inside oneself
> >> >that inside of the outside
> >> >once one tries to get oneself inside what
> >> >one is outside:
> >> >to eat and to be eaten
> >> >to have the outside inside and to be
> >> >inside the outside
> >> >
> >> >But this is not enough. One is trying to get
> >> >the inside of what one is outside inside, and to
> >> >get iside the outside. But one does not get
> >> >inside the outside by getting the outside inside
> >> >for;
> >> >although one is full inside of the inside of the outside
> >> >one is on the outside of one's own inside
> >> >and by getting inside the outside
> >> >while one is on the inside
> >> >even the inside of the outside is outside
> >> >and inside oneself there is still nothing
> >> >There never has been anything else
> >> >and there never will be
> >> >
> >> >Laing, R.D. (1972) 'Knots' Harmondsworth, Penguin Books, p. 83
> >> >
> >> >Thought for the week? Don't work too hard,
> >> >Warm regards,
> >> >Sarah
> >> >
> >> >http://www.TeacherResearch.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
> >> >
> >> >> And another quote from Laing - The Bird of Paradise
> >> >>
> >> >> if this I that is the wherewith and whereby is not anything that I
> know,
> >> >> then it is no thing - nothing.
> >> >>
> >>
>
>
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