[log in to unmask] on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 10:50 AM said:-
> But it is just as open to manipulation anyway. If I contact
> a supplier of any service or product and they ask me about
> things that do not affect the transaction, I always refuse or
> if they say it is mandatory I make something up. I give a
> false name and address if a shop refuses to give me a refund
> without giving those details. I always say I am a different
> ethnic group if I am "forced" to divulge that information.
That is a free choice which should be defended.
> Ethnic monitoring in general proves nothing and achieves
> nothing. The dangers of holding the data on an individual's
> record rather than in an anomymous database are all too
> apparent if you know your history. Will councils delete
> these record markers if/when a far-right party wins a
> majority of seats?
Any party in power would probably wish to utilise publicly held data in any
way it might choose, and most public/local authority organisations would be
duty bound to follow its wishes within whatever regulatory framework it may
implement.
If that framework was within a computing environment then I suppose the
implementation of centralised wishes would be much simpler, as it could
involve fewer people/changes to mechanisms to achieve.
It would seem to be the regulations which govern governments in protecting
individuals which need to be effective.
What mechanisms would people falling into any unpopular social group which
was the brunt of any prejudicial government/majority social group action
utilise in attempting to maintain their freedoms? And if the relevant
factual information is not available for utilisation in any debate, the
political manipulations enabling any particular fervour to be progressed
would certainly be far simpler.
Maintaining an effective separation of purposes within any data protection
regime, and ensuring an appropriate level of security for those purposes
could certainly counter some of those problems, but not negate them. In a
similar way the free choice statement above, equating with privacy, would
not seem to be able to either. Perhaps a multitude of independent mechanisms
is required.
Ian W
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> In a message dated 01/02/05 10:30:27 GMT Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > Whilst agreeing in principle a caveat here - Provided the anonymous
> > data may be verified as accurate by reference to the collection
> > mechanisms rather than the individual, otherwise the data
> is clearly
> > open to manipulation.
>
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>
> But it is just as open to manipulation anyway. If I contact
> a supplier of any service or product and they ask me about
> things that do not affect the transaction, I always refuse or
> if they say it is mandatory I make something up. I give a
> false name and address if a shop refuses to give me a refund
> without giving those details. I always say I am a different
> ethnic group if I am "forced" to divulge that information.
>
> Ethnic monitoring in general proves nothing and achieves
> nothing. The dangers of holding the data on an individual's
> record rather than in an anomymous database are all too
> apparent if you know your history. Will councils delete
> these record markers if/when a far-right party wins a
> majority of seats?
>
> Ian B
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