There's only so far you can take that when you consider the following:
1 You can now be forced to provide evidence against yourself.
2 If your DNA is taken, even if you voluntarily give for the "purpose of
Elimination", it will be held on record, whether you agree or not!
Furthermore this information is automatically passed to the USA.
3 More & more Laws are being passed that permit Police Officers To stop &
search you - WITHOUT provable cause (e.g. recent case of the Police Officers
that boarded David Mellows boat &, also, the case of the Journalist arrested
for taking a Photo of the House of Commons.
4 You can now be held under indefinite house-arrest, without being found
guilty of any charge
5 You can be arrested for Terrorism & you will NOT be permitted to be told
of the evidence (alleged) against you - even though that maybe "Intelligence
Information" obtained by Torture by another Country!
6 When arrested for Terrorism, you will NOT have the right of a Lawyer of
your choice. If you get a Lawyer, it will be one dictated by the Government
- who is expressly forbidden to advice your of the alleged evidence against
you
7 More & more trails are being run without a "Jury of your peers". If the
Government gets its way, virtually all trials will be without Juries.
8 Compare the information that you are LEGALLY required to provide, on a
Census Return, with the amount required 50 years ago - & it is going UP
every time!.
9 More & more are you being restricted on where you can peacefully
demonstrate.
10 More & more you can now only demonstrate if you have obtained the
Police's permission.
11 If arrested, you no longer have the right to silence!
12 Under the proposed ID Card system, you will be legally req'd to notify
the Government of your address
13 Under the proposed ID Card System you will be AUTOMATICALLY deemed Guilty
(NO proof req'd), if a Civil Servant "belives" you may be with-holding
information.
I'm finding myself quoting Benjamin Franklin more and more these days:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Carl
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
Sent: 13 July 2005 13:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Monitoring of call, sms and email data
It will be as much use as the national id card (especially in the light of
the news that the current bunch were "just ordinary kids"). So little
terrorism in so much traffic and so large a society. Needles and haystacks.
So, AK47, semtex, explosion, rush hour, random city..... Edinburgh
That would be enough, potentially even now, to alert the security services.
If you don't hear from me again?
One rather hopes that the UKIC is able to stamp on this rubbish, BUT we have
the "alleged national security" exemption
We go back to the old peer pressure adage "Them with nothing to hide has
nothing to fear".
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Carl Johnson
Sent: 13 July 2005 07:36
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-protection] Monitoring of call, sms and email data
"The home secretary is also expected to make a fresh push to compel internet
and phone companies across Europe to retain their record of traffic on
millions of private e-mails, text messages and mobile phone calls for up to
three years.
Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has already argued that the cost of forcing
firms across the EU to keep the records is worth paying to stop terror
attacks."
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4677241.stm
I seem to remember them talking about this whilst they were introducing
RIPA. All the talk of "Black boxes" at ISP data centres and so on. I believe
business managed to stop that due to the cost.
What exactly are they proposing? Its not clear.
Telco's retain Itemised billing records for upto a year or two and upto six
(or is it seven) on copies of invoices for VAT purposes. Isn't that
sufficient or are they referring to all the fields of CDR's?
As for email, if I were to setup my own email servers (10 minutes work) or
use email servers outside the countries covered by these proposals, I'd
easily circumvent these measures - as I'm sure any net savvy terrorist would
realise.
So I fail to see the benefit from this. Can anyone enlighten me?
As for the cost, who will have to cover these costs, I suspect the
businesses and ultimatley, the customers. Surely, any cost for a pointless
system is not worth paying, just like with ID cards (which the Home
Secretary accepts would have made no difference last week).
Even Tony Blair said "we should not let this affect our way of life" yet it
seems every week they introduce some draconian legislation which at best is
"unlikely" to make a difference in stopping terrorist attacks but does a
very good job of invading our privacy or curtailling our civil liberties.
Isn't that exactly what the terrorists want? Its about time they were made
to justify these actions rather than just imposing their will on us.
We all know that companies will comply with what they are compelled by
government to do, will any of them be lobbying against this seeing as the
public don't understand the issue and therefore, won't make much comment?
Carl
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