Hi All
Are there not probs here with Unique Id ........
Doreen Broom
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> Sent: 09 December 2002 09:38
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> Subject: Re: Safer Shopping
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> Dear All
>
> This does seem a strange initiative as we, the banks, are already well
> advanced
> upon the initiative to roll out chip cards enabled with PIN to remove
> Fraud. An
> inititative to put in place some form of fingerprint recognition system (I
> presume they can't be thinking of having ink pads and people with inky
> fingers
> trapsing around) would seem overkill unless of course the government has
> some
> other motive for collecting everyone's fingerprints and is using the
> excuse of
> reduction of fraud via credit card transactions in order to collect them.
>
> Obviously law abiding people will have no problem with the government
> having
> their fingerprints, will they?
>
> It will be interesting to see how this develops because there is no legal
> requirement to give a fingerprint when using a credit card. The shops
> could
> refuse to take the credit card transaction unless a fingerprint is used
> but I
> could see someone complaining that this was a contravention of their civil
> liberties etc etc, unfair because they are unable to use the credit
> facilities
> because they will not give a fingerprint.
>
> Regards
>
> Ian
>
>
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> Subject: [data-protection] Safer Shopping
> Author: Lewis Bourne <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 09/12/2002 9:45 AM
>
> Hi all, I was wondering whether any of the list members had come across
> the
> following initiative before. This article appeared in one of our free
> local
> papers at the weekend. I was obviously surprised, being this LA's Data
> Protection officer and not having being advised of its development.
>
> "Fingerprinting plan makes a big impression": Fingerprinting could be
> introduced
> in Dudley shops to prevent credit card fraud. The scheme being put
> together by
> Dudley Council would see customers in high street shops across the borough
> giving their finger prints alongside their signatures on credit card
> slips. If
> a payment was then declined, the print would be checked against those of
> known
> fraudsters on police records at the bank or building society.
>
> Card watch group the Association of Payment Clearance Services, said there
> were
> civil liberty issues at stake "Not everybody would be happy about giving
> their
> fingerprint to a scheme where retailers are exchanging personal
> information" -
> No! surely not :-)
>
> I have enquired a little further about this wonderful initiative and have
> been
> advised that it is part of the "Safer Shopping Scheme" operated through
> the Home
> Office and would be run in conjunction with the Council, West Midlands
> Police
> and retailers. Please rest assured that you can continue to do your
> Christmas
> shopping in Dudley without having to provide your fingerprint as the
> scheme will
> not be progressed until the New Year - I've got some interesting
> discussions
> ahead !!!
>
> regards,
>
> Lewis Bourne
> Principal Information Security Officer
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