Yes Chris,

I totally agree.

So the answer might be additional support/tuition to remedy this,
although the downside of this would be that this hypothetical student
would have to devote extra time to studying, but then this is true
for many disabled students.

We are, I think, simply saying: "assess the need and look at the
individual; don't try to operate with global rules that assume that
all individuals with the label "deaf" have identical access
requirements."
ATB

Claire

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:23:58 -0000 "Baxter, Chris"
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Claire
> It's a fab Friday afternoon topic......
> I believe there are a number of elements which affect performance in
> assessments:
> a) language competence
> b) current reading/cognition ability
> c) knowledge acquisition
> d) type of assessment
> at least, of these c is key in this particular instance as acquisition of
> information and knowledge can be impeded by hearing loss EVEN WHEN there are
> interpreters or speech to text.  I know as a user of both (thought I prefer
> interpreters) that there are times when things are missed, typing at the
> same speed someone is speaking for example is nigh on impossible, getting
> inflections and nuances right can be difficult, so that even with the 'best'
> support possible the hearing impaired candidate might be labouring on at a
> disadvantage.  Of course, if we are only speaking in terms of extra time
> then no this would not be appropriate or even useful.
>
> So, no to extra time, but yes to being disadvantaged (thus disabled) even
> with all the equipment and support!
>
> Pass the cup cakes
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: claire wickham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:12 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask] <fwd>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> As you rightly say, everyone is an individual.
>
> If there was an indivudal who was deaf but who had a reading age
> comensurate with their chronological age and their intellectual
> abilty and who accessed lectures via speed-text, and who
> demintarted no susbtantial deicif in speelling or writing speed would
> theree be a cse for extra time in exmas? (And if so, on what basis
> would this extra time be allocated?
>
> Or to put it another way, this indiviudal woul dstill have an
> impiarment (their hearing loss) but, in the context of HE, might not
> be disabled (at least in the case of acess to lectures,
> reading marteial and exams.)
>
> (This is a good Friday afternoon topic, isn't it?)
>
> ATB
>
> Claire
>
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:38:45 -0000 "Baxter, Chris"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Interesting Claire,
> > What do you define as genuinely bi lingual ? I consider myself to be bi
> > lingual but BSL is my second 'acquired' language.  Born hearing and raised
> > hearing (even though I probably wasn't) means English is my first language
> > but latterly due to improvements in my hearing loss (:o)) I access some
> > information more accurately through BSL, which in turn means I can miss
> > information in English.  It's a tough one, and my profile is quite unique,
> > as is everyone's, which makes generalising about extra time so difficult.
> > Hope this comes across as clearer than it seems to be in my head (!)
> > Sorry Skill's LEA awards officer day yesterday still spinning me!
> > Chris
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: claire wickham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:25 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask] <fwd>
> >
> >
> > >To add to what Chris has rightly said re. Deaf students:
> > >
> > >Chris wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>There is a huge difference between Deaf people and people from other
> > >>countries who speak different languages, and that is that people from
> > other
> > >>countries can hear, they can acquire English in the same way they could
> > >>acquire any other spoken language, through their ears, Deaf people
> cannot.
> > >>
> > >>Much has been written on the acquisition of language by Deaf people,
> > perhaps
> > >>some background reading might help.
> > >
> > >To which I would add:
> > >
> > >One of the issues is that while educators know how to teach English to
> > >hearing people, as a second language, hearing people do NOT know how to
> > >teach English to (profoundly) deaf children/adults. Hence the low
> > >literacy rates among Deaf people. Hearing society therefore
> > >disadvantages Deaf people by, albeit unintentionally, preventing access
> > >to written English.
> > >
> > >If we could solve this problem and could provide Deaf people with full
> > >access to written English, there would be no need for additional time,
> > >as Deaf students would then be in a similar position to other speakers
> > >of English as a second language. Until then, Deaf people are disabled by
> > >the hearing world.
> > >
> > >However, if there was Deaf student who was genuinely bilingual, would
> > >there then be a case for extra time? What do you think, Chris and
> > >others?
> > >
> > >Claire
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Claire Wickham
> > Director of Programmes, Research and Development
> > Access Unit for Deaf and Disabled Students
> > Union Building, University of Bristol,
> > Queen's Road, Clifton, Bristol BS8 1LN
> > Tel: 0117 954 5710 (voice)
> >      0117 954 5715 (textphone)
> > Fax: 0117 954 5714
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> > Claire Wickham
> > Director: Programmes, Research and Development
> > Access Unit
> > University of Bristol
> > Union Building
> > Queen's Road
> > Clifton
> > Bristol BS8 1LN
> >
> > Tel: 0117 954 5710
> > Textphone: 0117 954 5715
> > Fax: 0117 954 5714
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> Claire Wickham
> Director: Programmes, Research and Development
> Access Unit
> University of Bristol
> Union Building
> Queen's Road
> Clifton
> Bristol BS8 1LN
>
> Tel: 0117 954 5710
> Textphone: 0117 954 5715
> Fax: 0117 954 5714
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Claire Wickham
Director: Programmes, Research and Development
Access Unit
University of Bristol
Union Building
Queen's Road
Clifton
Bristol BS8 1LN

Tel: 0117 954 5710
Textphone: 0117 954 5715
Fax: 0117 954 5714

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