Mine too - thank you Faye!
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Conway
Sent: 20 April 2007 11:41
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: use of language - apology
Excellently put, my views entirely.
John.
Dr John S Conway FGS FRGS MNADO FHEA
Disability Officer / Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair,
Research Committee
Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS
01285 652531 ext 2234 fax 01285 650219
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Faye Langston
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: use of language - apology
I am sorry if some of you feel that by ignoring long political rants by
colleagues or email topics that go on and on means that we are being
complicit - I for one actually have a heavy workload with the students I
support and do not have the time to enter into tirades and rants by
colleagues, preferring to scan for any interest and then hitting the
delete button.
The email below is both patronising and rude, a lot of us come to the
forum to find answers to difficult practical questions to assist our
students and prefer to keep our politics to ourselves. We do not all
have time nor the inclination to comment on every email that comes
through and why should we!
I am replying to this email as I cannot believe how condescending it is
to those of us who havent replied/ranted/been rude/put our oars in
unnecesarily.
Can we please get on with using this forum as a self-help tool to assist
our students as I for one am getting very tired of all of this.
Faye
Faye Langston
Disabilities Co-ordinator
Coventry University
Priory Street
Coventry
CV1 5FB
02476 888309
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pat Mulcahy
Sent: 20 April 2007 11:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: use of language - apology
Bryan,
God be with the days.
To all of you who stayed silent while Alex poured scorn on our
colleagues (Skill, DSA-QAG, DfES, suppliers etc) and himself, shame on
you. It's the same as being complicit.
To all of you who support his campaign to ignore the DfES regulations
(they're only 'guidance); ignore the SLA; allow DOs to undertake the
assessments - I have invited those concerned to discuss their outreach
model on the NNAC discussion list as it seems more appropriate.
Somebody wake Steve up, he's asleep by the radiator again.
p.s Jiscmail guidelines on etiquette specifically state:
Complain to the list owner, not the list
I understand I was the only one to do so three weeks ago when I felt
that Alex was actually damaging himself.
Bryan Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Actually Dis-forum was originally set up to be a virtual staff
room for
Disability Officers. In times past we often worked alone with no
one in
our institutions who had a clue what we did, how we did it or
why so we
discussed and let of steam virtually. Dis-forum was a way to
speak to
colleagues, have joke over coffee etc. Now if anyone dared send
joke in
there would probably be a flurry of indignation from people
wondering
why such frivolity was occurring on their in-box.
As to Mr Larg, one still wonders why he feels it necessary to be
a self
appointed champion of the cause, rather than first seeing if the
representitive organisations involved in the DSA processes,
could not be
asked to look at and raise the concerns that are allegedly being
raised
by students and DOs? If approaches to NADP, NNAC, SKILL, NUS,
QAG etc
were rebuffed or ignored then I would think then would be the
time to go
it alone. Please feel free treat this as a rhetorical question.
Bryan Jones,
Manager, Disability Support Services
& North London Regional Access Centre,
Middlesex University
Tel: 020 8411 5366
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support
staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Caroline Davies
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: use of language - apology
Sorry, absolutely. Got a bit carried away with the concept. Its
always
great when students post to the list - I wish there was more of
it.
Their
contributions invariably give a different and valuable
perspective.
Caroline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felicity Burgess"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: use of language - apology
> But is it supposed to be a 'virtual staff room'?
>
> The header of the list suggests that it is a 'discussion list
for
> disabled students and their support staff'; ergo, not a staff
room.
> The feeling that this is in any way a 'staff room' could
discourage
> students from posting.
>
>
>
> Quoting Caroline Davies :
>
>> Dear Alex,
>>
>> I would like to endorse Karen's comments and to say that my
complaint
>> to the list owner was not in relation to an email from you.
>>
>> I do think it is important that everyone who posts to
disforum uses
>> language that is considered and considerate. I would
certainly not
>> want this to stifle genuine discussion (or controversy) and
>> information sharing, because
>> that's what disforum is all about. It is an invaluable
'virtual
staff
>> room'. I hope that the list owner will now think it sensible
to
provide
>> some useful guidance for contributors.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Caroline
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Farmer"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: use of language - apology
>>
>>
>> Dear Alex
>>
>> Being one of those named in your message - thank you for the
>> courteous apology.
>>
>> While I may occasionally have not appreciated the form in
which you
>> have expressed your opinions, I have never doubted that you
are
>> committed to supporting students, which is after all what we
are all
>> here for.
>>
>> Personally, I look forward to your continued contributions to
this
>> list, and it would be a shame if any of us felt that we could
not
>> properly air a genuine concern, or make reasonable enquiries
-
>> particulary if the topic under discussion is likely to be
perceived
>> by others as contentious or sensitive.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen Farmer
>> DSA Needs Assessor
>> Learning Support
>> University of Bedfordshire
>> Park Square, Luton
>> LU1 3HZ
>>
>> Tel: 01582 74 3422
>> Internal ext: 3422
>> Fax: 01582 489349
>>
>>
>> >>> [log in to unmask] 18/04/2007 13:31:55 >>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> apologies for cross posting this message...
>> I would like to apologise to Karen, Caroline and any other
>> colleagues who may have found my messages offensive or
inappropriate.
>> They are not intended
>> to be and my intention is purely to find out whether students
are
>> receiving
>> the best possible service and are being given value for money
and the
>> excellence of service which they deserve and should be
entitled to.
The
>> feedback I receive from many students I work with, and I work
with a
lot
>> of
>> students, is that they often feel let down by the systems in
place to
>> help
>> them. That's not to say that a lot of them aren't also
grateful,
thankful
>> and appreciative - they are. My starting point was to ask for
evidence
>> from
>> students and those who work with students, and take that
forward to
an
>> appropriate authority. This seems to have been met by a
combination
of
>> appreciation and praise off list, and sometimes animosity and
>> discouragement
>> on list from service providers, assessors and access centre
managers.
I
>> am
>> not saying that my opinion is the only opinion and that I am
right. I
am
>> just saying that I feel that there is room for improvement in
any
sector
>> and
>> that the way to achieve that improvement is through
encouraging and
>> gathering feedback, which is seriously considered and acted
on and
not
>> just
>> binned and dismissed as ill informed and just a few
complaining
students.
>> I
>> believe I can, as any competent disability officer /
practitioner
should
>> be
>> able to, tell the difference between substance and
distraction. I
also
>> find
>> that the students who don't complain or make little or no
noise at
all
>> are
>> the ones often most in need of help. I am copying this
message to
several
>> forums as I want my apology and my own opinion to be
available to
anyone
>> who
>> wants it, needs it, deserves it etc. This is likely to be one
of my
last
>> on-list postings for a while on this subject as I intend to
take my
>> concerns
>> and evidence elsewhere. I am still very happy to receive
on-list or
>> off-list
>> messages with comments, concerns and criticisms. I will also
participate
>> where appropriate in disussions where I feel I have something
positive to
>> contribute, as I feel and believe is the spirit of these
lists.
>> I would also be happy on this occasion for this message to be
forwarded
>> to
>> the ASASA list as I no longer have rights to post to that
list
>> unfortunately.
>> Thank you. Alex Alex [log in to unmask] 561 877 or
07916
175
>> 077Freelance Assistive Technology TrainerFreelance study
needs
>> assessorFormer Disability Officer
>> MNADP
>>
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