Thank you, Faye - I quite agree.
Mary.
Dyslexia Tutor
Ravensbourne College of Design and Technology
Faye Langston wrote:
>
> I am sorry if some of you feel that by ignoring long political rants
> by colleagues or email topics that go on and on means that we are
> being complicit - I for one actually have a heavy workload with the
> students I support and do not have the time to enter into tirades and
> rants by colleagues, preferring to scan for any interest and then
> hitting the delete button.
>
> The email below is both patronising and rude, a lot of us come to the
> forum to find answers to difficult practical questions to assist our
> students and prefer to keep our politics to ourselves. We do not all
> have time nor the inclination to comment on every email that comes
> through and why should we!
>
> I am replying to this email as I cannot believe how condescending it
> is to those of us who havent replied/ranted/been rude/put our oars in
> unnecesarily.
>
> Can we please get on with using this forum as a self-help tool to
> assist our students as I for one am getting very tired of all of this.
>
> Faye
>
> Faye Langston
> Disabilities Co-ordinator
> Coventry University
> Priory Street
> Coventry
> CV1 5FB
>
> 02476 888309
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> *From:* Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Pat Mulcahy
> *Sent:* 20 April 2007 11:05
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* use of language - apology
>
> Bryan,
>
> God be with the days.
>
> To all of you who stayed silent while Alex poured scorn on our
> colleagues (Skill, DSA-QAG, DfES, suppliers etc) and himself, shame on
> you. It's the same as being complicit.
>
> To all of you who support his campaign to ignore the DfES regulations
> (they're only 'guidance); ignore the SLA; allow DOs to undertake the
> assessments - I have invited those concerned to discuss their
> outreach model on the NNAC discussion list as it seems more appropriate.
>
> Somebody wake Steve up, he's asleep by the radiator again.
>
> _p.s Jiscmail guidelines on etiquette specifically state:_
>
> *Complain to the list owner, not the list*
>
> I understand I was the only one to do so three weeks ago when I felt
> that Alex was actually damaging himself.
>
>
>
>
>
> */Bryan Jones <[log in to unmask]>/* wrote:
>
> Actually Dis-forum was originally set up to be a virtual staff
> room for
> Disability Officers. In times past we often worked alone with no
> one in
> our institutions who had a clue what we did, how we did it or why
> so we
> discussed and let of steam virtually. Dis-forum was a way to speak to
> colleagues, have joke over coffee etc. Now if anyone dared send
> joke in
> there would probably be a flurry of indignation from people wondering
> why such frivolity was occurring on their in-box.
>
> As to Mr Larg, one still wonders why he feels it necessary to be a
> self
> appointed champion of the cause, rather than first seeing if the
> representitive organisations involved in the DSA processes, could
> not be
> asked to look at and raise the concerns that are allegedly being
> raised
> by students and DOs? If approaches to NADP, NNAC, SKILL, NUS, QAG etc
> were rebuffed or ignored then I would think then would be the time
> to go
> it alone. Please feel free treat this as a rhetorical question.
>
> Bryan Jones,
> Manager, Disability Support Services
> & North London Regional Access Centre,
> Middlesex University
> Tel: 020 8411 5366
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Caroline Davies
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: use of language - apology
>
>
> Sorry, absolutely. Got a bit carried away with the concept. Its always
>
> great when students post to the list - I wish there was more of it.
> Their
> contributions invariably give a different and valuable perspective.
> Caroline
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Felicity Burgess"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: use of language - apology
>
>
> > But is it supposed to be a 'virtual staff room'?
> >
> > The header of the list suggests that it is a 'discussion list for
> > disabled students and their support staff'; ergo, not a staff room.
> > The feeling that this is in any way a 'staff room' could discourage
> > students from posting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Caroline Davies :
> >
> >> Dear Alex,
> >>
> >> I would like to endorse Karen's comments and to say that my
> complaint
>
> >> to the list owner was not in relation to an email from you.
> >>
> >> I do think it is important that everyone who posts to disforum
> uses
> >> language that is considered and considerate. I would certainly not
> >> want this to stifle genuine discussion (or controversy) and
> >> information sharing, because
> >> that's what disforum is all about. It is an invaluable 'virtual
> staff
> >> room'. I hope that the list owner will now think it sensible to
> provide
> >> some useful guidance for contributors.
> >>
> >> kind regards,
> >>
> >> Caroline
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Karen Farmer"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: use of language - apology
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Alex
> >>
> >> Being one of those named in your message - thank you for the
> >> courteous apology.
> >>
> >> While I may occasionally have not appreciated the form in which
> you
> >> have expressed your opinions, I have never doubted that you are
> >> committed to supporting students, which is after all what we
> are all
> >> here for.
> >>
> >> Personally, I look forward to your continued contributions to this
> >> list, and it would be a shame if any of us felt that we could not
> >> properly air a genuine concern, or make reasonable enquiries -
> >> particulary if the topic under discussion is likely to be
> perceived
> >> by others as contentious or sensitive.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Karen Farmer
> >> DSA Needs Assessor
> >> Learning Support
> >> University of Bedfordshire
> >> Park Square, Luton
> >> LU1 3HZ
> >>
> >> Tel: 01582 74 3422
> >> Internal ext: 3422
> >> Fax: 01582 489349
> >>
> >>
> >> >>> [log in to unmask] 18/04/2007 13:31:55 >>>
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >> apologies for cross posting this message...
> >> I would like to apologise to Karen, Caroline and any other
> >> colleagues who may have found my messages offensive or
> inappropriate.
>
> >> They are not intended
> >> to be and my intention is purely to find out whether students are
> >> receiving
> >> the best possible service and are being given value for money
> and the
> >> excellence of service which they deserve and should be entitled to.
> The
> >> feedback I receive from many students I work with, and I work
> with a
> lot
> >> of
> >> students, is that they often feel let down by the systems in
> place to
> >> help
> >> them. That's not to say that a lot of them aren't also grateful,
> thankful
> >> and appreciative - they are. My starting point was to ask for
> evidence
> >> from
> >> students and those who work with students, and take that forward to
> an
> >> appropriate authority. This seems to have been met by a combination
> of
> >> appreciation and praise off list, and sometimes animosity and
> >> discouragement
> >> on list from service providers, assessors and access centre
> managers.
> I
> >> am
> >> not saying that my opinion is the only opinion and that I am
> right. I
> am
> >> just saying that I feel that there is room for improvement in any
> sector
> >> and
> >> that the way to achieve that improvement is through encouraging and
> >> gathering feedback, which is seriously considered and acted on and
> not
> >> just
> >> binned and dismissed as ill informed and just a few complaining
> students.
> >> I
> >> believe I can, as any competent disability officer / practitioner
> should
> >> be
> >> able to, tell the difference between substance and distraction. I
> also
> >> find
> >> that the students who don't complain or make little or no noise at
> all
> >> are
> >> the ones often most in need of help. I am copying this message to
> several
> >> forums as I want my apology and my own opinion to be available to
> anyone
> >> who
> >> wants it, needs it, deserves it etc. This is likely to be one of my
> last
> >> on-list postings for a while on this subject as I intend to take my
> >> concerns
> >> and evidence elsewhere. I am still very happy to receive on-list or
> >> off-list
> >> messages with comments, concerns and criticisms. I will also
> participate
> >> where appropriate in disussions where I feel I have something
> positive to
> >> contribute, as I feel and believe is the spirit of these lists.
> >> I would also be happy on this occasion for this message to be
> forwarded
> >> to
> >> the ASASA list as I no longer have rights to post to that list
> >> unfortunately.
> >> Thank you. Alex Alex [log in to unmask] 561 877 or 07916
> 175
> >> 077Freelance Assistive Technology TrainerFreelance study needs
> >> assessorFormer Disability Officer
> >> MNADP
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> >
>
>
>
>
> *Mr Patrick Mulcahy*
> Assessor
> ASASA, CLASS, NLRAC
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