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Thank you, Faye - I quite agree. Mary. Dyslexia Tutor Ravensbourne College of Design and Technology Faye Langston wrote: > > I am sorry if some of you feel that by ignoring long political rants > by colleagues or email topics that go on and on means that we are > being complicit - I for one actually have a heavy workload with the > students I support and do not have the time to enter into tirades and > rants by colleagues, preferring to scan for any interest and then > hitting the delete button. > > The email below is both patronising and rude, a lot of us come to the > forum to find answers to difficult practical questions to assist our > students and prefer to keep our politics to ourselves. We do not all > have time nor the inclination to comment on every email that comes > through and why should we! > > I am replying to this email as I cannot believe how condescending it > is to those of us who havent replied/ranted/been rude/put our oars in > unnecesarily. > > Can we please get on with using this forum as a self-help tool to > assist our students as I for one am getting very tired of all of this. > > Faye > > Faye Langston > Disabilities Co-ordinator > Coventry University > Priory Street > Coventry > CV1 5FB > > 02476 888309 > [log in to unmask] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Pat Mulcahy > *Sent:* 20 April 2007 11:05 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* use of language - apology > > Bryan, > > God be with the days. > > To all of you who stayed silent while Alex poured scorn on our > colleagues (Skill, DSA-QAG, DfES, suppliers etc) and himself, shame on > you. It's the same as being complicit. > > To all of you who support his campaign to ignore the DfES regulations > (they're only 'guidance); ignore the SLA; allow DOs to undertake the > assessments - I have invited those concerned to discuss their > outreach model on the NNAC discussion list as it seems more appropriate. > > Somebody wake Steve up, he's asleep by the radiator again. > > _p.s Jiscmail guidelines on etiquette specifically state:_ > > *Complain to the list owner, not the list* > > I understand I was the only one to do so three weeks ago when I felt > that Alex was actually damaging himself. > > > > > > */Bryan Jones <[log in to unmask]>/* wrote: > > Actually Dis-forum was originally set up to be a virtual staff > room for > Disability Officers. In times past we often worked alone with no > one in > our institutions who had a clue what we did, how we did it or why > so we > discussed and let of steam virtually. Dis-forum was a way to speak to > colleagues, have joke over coffee etc. Now if anyone dared send > joke in > there would probably be a flurry of indignation from people wondering > why such frivolity was occurring on their in-box. > > As to Mr Larg, one still wonders why he feels it necessary to be a > self > appointed champion of the cause, rather than first seeing if the > representitive organisations involved in the DSA processes, could > not be > asked to look at and raise the concerns that are allegedly being > raised > by students and DOs? If approaches to NADP, NNAC, SKILL, NUS, QAG etc > were rebuffed or ignored then I would think then would be the time > to go > it alone. Please feel free treat this as a rhetorical question. > > Bryan Jones, > Manager, Disability Support Services > & North London Regional Access Centre, > Middlesex University > Tel: 020 8411 5366 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Caroline Davies > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:26 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: use of language - apology > > > Sorry, absolutely. Got a bit carried away with the concept. Its always > > great when students post to the list - I wish there was more of it. > Their > contributions invariably give a different and valuable perspective. > Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Felicity Burgess" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: use of language - apology > > > > But is it supposed to be a 'virtual staff room'? > > > > The header of the list suggests that it is a 'discussion list for > > disabled students and their support staff'; ergo, not a staff room. > > The feeling that this is in any way a 'staff room' could discourage > > students from posting. > > > > > > > > Quoting Caroline Davies : > > > >> Dear Alex, > >> > >> I would like to endorse Karen's comments and to say that my > complaint > > >> to the list owner was not in relation to an email from you. > >> > >> I do think it is important that everyone who posts to disforum > uses > >> language that is considered and considerate. I would certainly not > >> want this to stifle genuine discussion (or controversy) and > >> information sharing, because > >> that's what disforum is all about. It is an invaluable 'virtual > staff > >> room'. I hope that the list owner will now think it sensible to > provide > >> some useful guidance for contributors. > >> > >> kind regards, > >> > >> Caroline > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Karen Farmer" > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:23 PM > >> Subject: Re: use of language - apology > >> > >> > >> Dear Alex > >> > >> Being one of those named in your message - thank you for the > >> courteous apology. > >> > >> While I may occasionally have not appreciated the form in which > you > >> have expressed your opinions, I have never doubted that you are > >> committed to supporting students, which is after all what we > are all > >> here for. > >> > >> Personally, I look forward to your continued contributions to this > >> list, and it would be a shame if any of us felt that we could not > >> properly air a genuine concern, or make reasonable enquiries - > >> particulary if the topic under discussion is likely to be > perceived > >> by others as contentious or sensitive. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> K > >> > >> > >> > >> Karen Farmer > >> DSA Needs Assessor > >> Learning Support > >> University of Bedfordshire > >> Park Square, Luton > >> LU1 3HZ > >> > >> Tel: 01582 74 3422 > >> Internal ext: 3422 > >> Fax: 01582 489349 > >> > >> > >> >>> [log in to unmask] 18/04/2007 13:31:55 >>> > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> apologies for cross posting this message... > >> I would like to apologise to Karen, Caroline and any other > >> colleagues who may have found my messages offensive or > inappropriate. > > >> They are not intended > >> to be and my intention is purely to find out whether students are > >> receiving > >> the best possible service and are being given value for money > and the > >> excellence of service which they deserve and should be entitled to. > The > >> feedback I receive from many students I work with, and I work > with a > lot > >> of > >> students, is that they often feel let down by the systems in > place to > >> help > >> them. That's not to say that a lot of them aren't also grateful, > thankful > >> and appreciative - they are. My starting point was to ask for > evidence > >> from > >> students and those who work with students, and take that forward to > an > >> appropriate authority. This seems to have been met by a combination > of > >> appreciation and praise off list, and sometimes animosity and > >> discouragement > >> on list from service providers, assessors and access centre > managers. > I > >> am > >> not saying that my opinion is the only opinion and that I am > right. I > am > >> just saying that I feel that there is room for improvement in any > sector > >> and > >> that the way to achieve that improvement is through encouraging and > >> gathering feedback, which is seriously considered and acted on and > not > >> just > >> binned and dismissed as ill informed and just a few complaining > students. > >> I > >> believe I can, as any competent disability officer / practitioner > should > >> be > >> able to, tell the difference between substance and distraction. I > also > >> find > >> that the students who don't complain or make little or no noise at > all > >> are > >> the ones often most in need of help. I am copying this message to > several > >> forums as I want my apology and my own opinion to be available to > anyone > >> who > >> wants it, needs it, deserves it etc. This is likely to be one of my > last > >> on-list postings for a while on this subject as I intend to take my > >> concerns > >> and evidence elsewhere. I am still very happy to receive on-list or > >> off-list > >> messages with comments, concerns and criticisms. I will also > participate > >> where appropriate in disussions where I feel I have something > positive to > >> contribute, as I feel and believe is the spirit of these lists. > >> I would also be happy on this occasion for this message to be > forwarded > >> to > >> the ASASA list as I no longer have rights to post to that list > >> unfortunately. > >> Thank you. Alex Alex [log in to unmask] 561 877 or 07916 > 175 > >> 077Freelance Assistive Technology TrainerFreelance study needs > >> assessorFormer Disability Officer > >> MNADP > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with > Live.com. > >> http://www.live.com/getstarted > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > *Mr Patrick Mulcahy* > Assessor > ASASA, CLASS, NLRAC > > The information contained in this message is confidential. 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