We've picked up some murmurings about the UK's ID Card scheme at the end of
this article:
http://www.complianceandprivacy.com/News-skimmers.asp
It's based on what happened the other week to Shell, and it seems to ask
"What if that had been your ID Card?"
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Welton
Sent: 22 May 2006 14:26
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] CRB Checks and ID Cards
The issue of no apologies comes as no surprise just as the collection of
fingerprints to confirm identity and 'prove innocence' does not. To
apologise for the normal working of a system would be tantamount to
admitting the system itself was wrong.
I understood from the TV news that the police took the fingerprints of the
disenfrachised to prove their innocence of the crimes indicated as possibly
committed by them in the CRB return, sad for the affected persons that once
the fingerprints are held by the police they may be retained, and
unfortunate that they may need to be fingerprinted every time they apply for
any job which requires vetting to once more 'prove their innocence'.
This type of thing will probably increase as errors and the use of alias
names grows. I am not sure how the historical attempts made by at least one
local authority trying very hard over a protracted period to implement an
annual vetting check on some roles, to confirm innocence was being
appropriately maintained, have fared since the CRB started, suppose any
statistics on duplicate checks made on behalf of organisations over a number
of years would reveal any such practice.
Some of the pressure for ID cards does emanate from wishes to be able to
deal with identification during vetting more efficiently, certainly many of
the DP issues arising from that are to increase the accuracy of the database
and methods of checking in order to try to alleviate some of the problems.
The whole philosophy of vetting is that of proving innocence, which is the
precise opposite of the openly stated national UK and legal philosophy of
'innocent until proven guilty', but that does seem to have been changing to
one of 'you are able to prove your innocence'. To take a stance against the
practice can lead to a great many issues arising from various quarters with
people sometimes only to willing to place their heads in a noose for the
greater good, indeed my experience has been that people who really should
know better offer very strong covert support for the system come what may.
People adversely affected of course do have an option to attempt to address
the issues by the courts, but s.14 is not appropriate as the data is not
their personal data, as will have already been proven by them prior to
commencing any legal action.
Ian W
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Hasan
> Sent: 21 May 2006 17:00
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: CRB Checks and ID Cards
>
>
> Colleagues will be interested in this story
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5001624.stm
>
> If the government can get one piece of information so wrong, what will
> happen when we have ID cards which will store lots more information
> about people?
>
> I spoke on surveillance law at the North West DP Group Conference a
> couple of weeks ago.
>
> They also had a speaker from the No To ID Cards group who had lots of
> interesting things to say. I would urge all DP officers to look at
> their
> website:
>
> http://www.no2id.net <http://www.no2id.net/> <http://www.no2id.net/>
>
> Did you know that, from October of this year, as preparation for the
> ID scheme, ALL first-time passport applicants will have background
> checks and be interviewed by officials at one of the government's 69
> new 'enrolment centres'?
>
> They are asking us to renew our passports now to avoid having to give
> excessive data to the government.
>
>
>
> Ibrahim Hasan
>
> Solicitor
> Act Now Training
> The Information Law Training Specialists www.actnow.org.uk
> <http://www.actnow.org.uk/> Tel : 07808 079264
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