Tim Trent on 02 June 2005 at 15:24 said:-
> True enough. But I am genuinely curious about how an
> authority will safeguard the objector
What do LA's do when they receive planning objections to local plans from
persons/organisations abroad, say somebody residing under an oppressive or
highly regimented/censored regime?
Publishing on the WWW is bound to multiply that sort of difficulty.
Are the compensation rights for damage or distress contained within the DPA
geographically limited, or is that managed by access to the local justice
system?
Ian W
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> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent: 02 June 2005 15:24
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Opinions sought - Planning Applications
>
>
> True enough. But I am genuinely curious about how an
> authority will safeguard the objector
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection
> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
> Sent: 02 June 2005 15:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning Applications
>
> Simple - if there are any objections, anonymous or not,
> they'll probably think it was you anyway, and so you're
> knackered whether you objected or not.
>
> Next question?
>
> > ----------
> > From: Tim Trent[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Reply To: Tim Trent
> > Sent: 02 June 2005 15:15
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning
> > Applications
> >
> > Convenience notwithstanding, picture this:
> >
> > You live next door to a rather unpleasant family of chavs.
> They have
> > decided to ask for planning consent for an ENORMOUS extension that
> > overlooks your property (among several other properties).
> >
> > You have long been scared of your neighbours, the more so since they
> > have rowdy friends visit, and party until 2am. One of them has
> > threatened your 10 year old daughter because she went into
> their front
> > garden to get her ball back.
> >
> > You want to object to the application which you saw posted on your
> > lamppost, but you know your name will be given to the chavs
> next door.
> > You fear threats and other reprisals because of your quite
> reasonable
> > objection.
> >
> > You now have a major problem:
> >
> > Do you object and risk having the bejasus beaten out of
> you, or do you
> > hope the planning officer will see sense without your objection?
> >
> > How dies a scenario like this get solved by the local authority?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
> > Sent: 02 June 2005 15:06
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning
> Applications
> >
> > I live at the edge of Manchester City Council's area. Not putting
> > planning applications on the web at all means that if I
> want to look
> > at a planning application, I have to pay to travel into Manchester
> > (and as I work in Wigan, I'll need to take time off work to
> do this)
> > and go to the planning department in normal working hours.
> > Alternatively, I could look on a website at home when I
> have the time
> > to think about it. Which approach allows me, a Manchester Council
> > Taxpayer, greater access? I think putting planning
> applications on the
> > web increases the possibility of participation. I think the
> risks are
> > small, and the benefits could be large. I carry no torch for
> > eGoverment or targets, but I do think that local government
> processes
> > can be opaque, and any effort to widen access to them is a
> good thing.
> > What we do in local government shouldn't be accessible only to
> > specialists.
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Antoinette
> Carter[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Reply To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: 02 June 2005 14:38
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning
> > > Applications
> > >
> > > I have a lot of sympathy with this view. The main objective of a
> > > transparent planning process is to allow those people
> affected, ie.
> > > the people actually living there, to have a say in
> proceedings. By
> > > that definition, all those concerned must be
> geographically close to
> > > the Town Hall for their borough. The argument that making access
> > > available worldwide via the Web adds any value for the borough's
> > > residents is weak at best, and is probably negated
> altogether when
> > > you take into account the loss of privacy, and the
> possible threat
> > > to individuals' personal safety.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: 02 June 2005 14:19
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning
> > > Applications
> > >
> > > In a message dated 02/06/05 12:10:06 GMT Daylight Time,
> > > [log in to unmask] writes (snip):
> > >
> > > > . I would like to ask another question: what is the effect of
> > > > maintaining a system where access to the planning process is
> > > > limited to people who go to the Town Hall?
> > >
> > > -------
> > > Did it not work well for a number of years before the
> Internet? Did
> > > it not actually work better than it does now? Was there
> not a more
> > > consistent approach to building? Were not the buildings
> themselves
> > > more aesthetically pleasing?
> > > Have councils seen an increase in applications or
> objections since
> > > planning went on-line? If not, what is the objective?
> > >
> > > It cannot achieve total popular coverage so why is it done? To
> > > achieve targets. Targets that were set by government in an
> > > arbitrary
> > fashion.
> > > People do not want e-government, government does. The government
> > > has recently issued directives to councils to force the public to
> > > use electronic payments, electronic applications and e-systems in
> > > general, by stoppping the manual (personal
> > > contact) alternative where possible.
> > >
> > > I have never suggested the system is closed down, nor that it does
> > > not present an opportunity for those with no domestic problems.
> > > What I object to is that councils are now being told to put the
> > > details on the web regardless of the wishes of the
> individual. This
> > > is wrong. I hope councils ignore the advice and actually
> ask people
> > > whether they object, then respect those wishes.
> > >
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