Tim
At the end of the day - it was one e-mail - if you are interested you will look at it, if not - there's a wee button on your keyboard which says "delete".  Instead, we have ended up with so many "unwanted" e-mails complaining about it - is this really relevant to the list?
Doreen


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent:	31 May 2005 18:18
> To:	[log in to unmask]
> Subject:	Re: That conference.  You are wrong to complain!
> 
> We so often agree, Charles.  I regret this is one of those times when I
> disagree with you.  
> 
> It is not bad form to criticise anything perceived as not relevant to the
> group as being not relevant.  Otherwise we could have all sorts of "stuff"
> here uncriticised.
> 
> That something is academic does not mean it is automatically grist to the
> mill here.  An "Academic study in the enhancement of male or female body
> parts" however learned the source would not be appropriate.
> 
> It is not a matter of voting every time we do not like something.  It is a
> matter of keeping our list free from irrelevant stuff, "Friday banter"
> excepted.
> 
> That "conferences are necessary for young academics" does not of itself
> justify the posting of a conference here.  Young academics also find it
> necessary to wear clothes on most occasions, and we do not see clothing
> adverts here.
> 
> The conference topic list is very broad indeed.  While I think we all
> appreciate that each topic can be interpreted to manage to include DP
> matters, a properly targeted email would simply have obeyed our rules of
> custom and practice and aimed us at their detailed agenda on their website.
> This is a matter of poor marketing practice because it has no regard to the
> recipients, and this is so whether or not the conference is designed or
> intended to have a DP content.
> 
> Whatever Natalia Reis's position in the organisation she has not in the past
> answered emails on this topic, and she is acting, should she be a real
> person, as spokesperson of this organisation
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles Christacopoulos
> Sent: 31 May 2005 17:53
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [data-protection] That conference. You are wrong to complain!
> 
> Hi to all,
> 
> I am sorry for not responding to a particular message and changing the
> thread.
> 
> First, yes *perhaps* bad form from the organisers to inform/spam groups
> about their conference.  (The message will be spam to those who do not want
> it but can be relevant information to others).
> 
> Second, bad form to criticise a conference as not being relevant to this
> group. 
> 
> Third.  Before we get to it, it is not a matter of voting (every time we
> don't like something).
> 
> The conference is relevant to this group (unless the conference itself is
> comptele and total ****) because: 
> 
> a. it is an academic community newsgroup hosted withing the academic network
> ACADEMIC being the significant word here.
> 
> b. unlike other lists which have the word admin in them, this list does not
> which means it can discuss matters in an academic as well as in an applied
> manner (assuming that those outside think that academics are never
> interested in applied matters and live in ivory towers).
> 
> c. conferences are a necessary step for young academics/researchers to get
> their research careers going and for established academics to give a
> *performance*.
> 
> d. The list DOES have academic members of staff who may be here because of a
> genuine interest in DP or because they have to perform DP functions in their
> jobs or ....
> etc.
> 
> For the blinkered (or is it applied) persons who think such a message is not> 
> relevant, here is a go at putting an academic helmet on.
> 
> > * Topics related to WWW/Internet are of interest. These include, but 
> > are not limited to the following areas:
> 
> ****  Not limited!!!  Not difficult to understand.
> 
> > - Accessibility
> 
> AKA in the UK as legislation.  Relevant to anyone with an interest in
> legislative web matters and DP is very much part ot such matters.
> 
> > - Adaptive Web Systems
> > - Collaboration
> > - Computer-Mediated Communication
> > - Data Mining
> > - Database Planning and Development
> > - Digital Economy
> > - Digital Libraries and E-Publishing
> > - Distributed and Parallel Applications
> > - E-Business and E-Commerce
> > - E-Government
> 
> Relevant to DP.  Throw ID cards in the pot too.
> 
> > - E-Learning
> > - Electronic Data Interchange
> 
> Relevant to DP!
> 
> > - Quality, Evaluation and Assessment
> 
> Relevant to DP!
> 
> > - Extensible Languages
> > - Global Tendencies in WWW/Internet
> > - Groupware
> 
> Relevant to DP!
> 
> > - Human Computer Interaction
> > - Hypermedia
> > - Information Architectures
> > - Information Visualization
> > - Intelligent Agents
> > - Interfaces
> > - Internet & Customer Relationship Management
> 
> Combine with e-government.  Relevant to DP!
> 
> > - Internet Payment Systems
> 
> Relevant to DP!
> 
> > - Internet Services
> > - Languages
> > - Metadata
> > - Multimedia
> > - Performance Issues
> > - Personalized Web Sites and Services
> > - Portal strategies
> > - Protocols and Standards
> > - Searching and Browsing
> > - Security Issues
> 
> A little relevant to DP!!!!!!!
> 
> > - Semantic Web
> > - Social & Legal Issues
> 
> Relevant to DP! 
> 
> > - Storage Issues
> > - System Integration
> > - Teaching and Learning Strategies
> > - Technology Innovation and Competitiveness
> > - Technology Management
> > - Technology Strategies
> > - Tele-Work
> 
> Relevant to DP!!!!
> 
> > - WWW/Internet Applications
> > - WWW/Internet Case studies
> > - WWW/Internet Impacts
> > - Web Engineering
> > - Web Personalization
> > - Web Software
> > - Wireless Applications
> > - Ubiquitous Computing
> > - Usability
> > - User Modelling
> > - Virtual Communities
> > - Virtual Reality
> > - XML
> 
> 
> Right?  Clear enough?  If you can't see the relevance of the above points to
> DP don't bother asking me how I see it.  Life is too short.
> 
> As far as Natalia Reis is concerned she is probably a secretary or a junior
> administrator.
> 
> I said my bit.
> 
> Regards
> Charles
> 
> 
> --
> Charles Christacopoulos, Management Information Officer, Planning &
> Information, University of Dundee, Dundee, DD1 4HN, Scotland, United
> Kingdom. Tel: 44(0)1382-344891. Fax: 44(0)1382-348845.
> http://www.somis.dundee.ac.uk/ ::egothor http://www.egothor.org/ 
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