Actually I do all the cooking while my girlfriend does the washing up
St.John
-----Original Message-----
From: BRYAN JONES [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]; Skeates,St.John DEAL Awards Tm
Subject: Re: Sexism
This is all very well, but we still haven't established who is going to
make St John his dinner.
On 26 Apr 02, at 11:03, claire wickham wrote:
> Sexism, racism and disabilism and all forms of prejudice should always
> be challenged. This is how awareness is raised and how our voices are
> heard.
>
> Claire
>
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:53:03 +0100 "C.Florin" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I have to agree with Steve here. How do you find the time to have
these chats?! More to the point, is this the right place to have them?
> > It does clogg up people's mail boxes.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:25:28
> > +0100 Stephen Russell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't there some work you lot should be doing?
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Margaret Herrington
[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:14 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: Sexism
> > > >
> > > > Not easy to accept apologies,especially the claim that they are
> > > > unreserved, when couched in such a form.
> > > > The expression...'stop digging' springs to mind.
> > > > Margaret
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> [log in to unmask] 04/24/02 02:54pm >>>
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > First off: if there is anyone on the list who felt personally
hurt by my
> > > > comments, please accept my unreserved apologies.
> > > >
> > > > Next: review the thread.
> > > >
> > > > St John's comments were sexist - he is quite honest enough not to
deny
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > My response was intended to be an amusing response with a tag
> > > > acknowledging its sexist nature (and rebuking it - why else put
it in?).
> > > > My assumption was that the thread would end there. I should have
> > > > guessed, however, that one or two would be only too happy to leap
into
> > > > the political fray.
> > > >
> > > > Claire's email, turning the scenario on its head was an excellent
one
> > > > (and very witty) - I wish I'd thought of it first.
> > > >
> > > > I won't bother commenting on Margaret's 'I agree' (sagely nodding
dog)
> > > > emails.
> > > >
> > > > Rob's email seems to suggest that I believe sexism is generally
> > > > acceptable and that I brand those who disagree as 'killjoys'.
He's
> > > > obviously confusing me with someone else. However, I do feel
it's
> > > > important to keep at least one foot in the real world - and am
happy to
> > > > say that I am not yet totally institutionalised.
> > > >
> > > > Along with many others on this list, I encounter disabled people
in
> > > > difficult circumstances every day. I frequently use humour as a
means of
> > > > developing rapports with those I meet, and as a defence against
the sort
> > > > of experiences and pressures that often accompany the job that I
do.
> > > >
> > > > At UCW, I worked very successfully as the only male in a team of
ten. I
> > > > can assure you that my colleagues shared my sense of humour and
have
> > > > never ever suggested that my behaviour was in any way sexist (and
they
> > > > are quite sufficiently aware and quite confident enough to have
'put me
> > > > right' had I stepped out of line).
> > > >
> > > > Equality and respect for others is vital - though it's important,
too,
> > > > to maintain a sense of perspective.
> > > >
> > > > Finally: I'm certainly far from perfect (and wouldn't want to be)
but
> > > > neither am I sexist - and I really don't need a lecture (a pious
and
> > > > rather simplistic one at that) from a political opportunist on
the
> > > > issues of gender and equal opportunities.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to sound so harsh (and still not particularly repentant).
Perhaps
> > > > it is I who needs to get out more!
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > fidlerob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I find it rather strange that people who advocate equal
opportunities
> > > > > for students with disabilities cannot transfer their
understanding
> > > > > into the area of gender equality.
> > > > > The comments made are based on a stereotype that women
> > > > > should be beautiful and tied to the kitchen sink. Would anyone
> > > > > dare transfer a similar stereotype to the area of disability;
for
> > > > > example that disabled people are unfortunate and we should all
feel
> > > > > sorry for them and pat them on the head when they try and say
> > > > > something. I think there would be uproar, and quite right too.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's one thing to make a discriminatory comment and regret it,
but
> > > > > another to revel in it or pass it off as a bit of fun. I don't
think
> > > > > branding those who complain about sexism as killjoys is
> > > > > acceptable.
> > > > > Perhaps an apology and a commitment to keep your sexism to
> > > > > yourself would be more appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob Fidler (dyslexia support - Roehampton)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23 Apr 2002, at 18:20, Peter Hill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Hi
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Guilty. Though, I'm afraid, not particularly repentant.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Peter Hill
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Margaret Herrington wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>well said Claire!!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Margaret
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> >>> [log in to unmask] 04/23/02 04:41pm >>>
> > > > >>>In an ideal world you would both be at home preparing
someone's dinner
> > > > >>>and not allowed to send out sexist e-messages!!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Claire
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:37:48 +0100 Peter Hill
<[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >>>wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > Hi
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Skeates,St.John DEAL Awards Tm wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > In an idea world ...
> > > > >>> > > Kylie Minogue would be at home right now preparing my
dinner.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Wrong again, St John. In an ideal world, she'd be at home
preparing
> > > > >>>mine!
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > (Tut, tut - sexist banter!)
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Regards
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Peter Hill
> > > > >>> >
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