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Subject:

Re: National ID (entitlement) cards

From:

Ruth Powell <[log in to unmask]>

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Ruth Powell <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:36:47 +0100

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Thanks Ian - an excellent summary.

How interesting - I find I agree with most of your reasons!!  Although
I think that most of our reasons are related to how a card is
administered / operated rather than the fact of having an ID card.
And the fact that many of us don't trust governments where we would
trust commercial companies - a slightly sad reflection on the freedoms
our parents and grandparents won in 2 world wars?? (there's a PhD
topic in here I'm sure!)

I absolutely agree that any kind of "entitlement" card labels and
stigmatizes a group of society in an unacceptable manner.  Something
for Labour's Social Exclusion Unit you'd think, but maybe that part of
government isn't joined-up to the part looking at ID cards :0)

And I would still love to be able to join a video rental club without
having to provide more varieties of ID than to open a bank
account.........

Still, Henman will be on court soon so all's well with the world.

Ruth Powell




                                                                                                                                            
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In a message dated 05/07/2002 09:27:58 GMT Daylight Time,
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<< I hope I'm not going to regret asking this, and I've definitely got
 that Friday feeling.... but I'm genuinely puzzled.  Why is the
 introduction of a national ID card considered an infringement of
civil
 liberties?  I understand the dangers of such a system being extended
 beyond its orginal stated purpose, but what is the problem simply
with
 an ID card?  Especially if it supersedes the current need to have
 multiple forms of ID for different purposes.

 I personally think that being able to prove who I am so that my
 identity is not stolen by someone else is a civil liberty in its own
 right.  How is that going to be infiringed by a national ID card?? >>
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There are several reasons, based on the knowledge that the card will
not
exist in a "simple" form, it will definitely have a full database
structure
behind it:

1) As a private individual, I can choose what name I want to be known
by for
different purposes, so long as they are not fraudulent or otherwise
illegal
purposes.  For example, to identify those companies obtaining my
details for
junk mailing without offering an opt-out, I usually change my middle
initial
and wait for the mailings to arrive with the wrong name - they have
breached
the first principle;

2) As an individual, I can choose (within reason) which form of
identity to
use for any particular purpose - I may not use my driving licence if I
get
points on it because the retailer (or whatever) does not need to know
this;

3) Although the card will not be required to be carried, pretty soon
you will
not be able to get anything without it and your rights will be reduced
as a
result - you have your old style credit cards on you but the retailer
will
not give credit without the ID card which you left at home;

4) The agglomeration of the data held by the card administrator
(probably a
commercial company) will be used for other purposes without your
consent (and
knowledge) if the proposals are accepted - your right to know how the
data
are used (first DPA principle) will disappear, you lose control, they
keep it
forever (5th), they decide what is essential data (3rd);

5) The card itself, if everyone must have one by law, must be
*required* for
some purposes - such as benefits claims - therefore it creates a
second tier
of society.  Not really a problem for most people but if you've ever
queued
up for free school meals you'll understand what I mean;

6) You will never know for sure what data are held on the databases
accessible via this ID card, nor will you know what data will be held
on the
chip, nor will you know which agencies can read which bits of the
chip.  For
example, some smart cards accumulate data such as what children buy
for
school meals, ostensibly for "loyalty points" then parents demand
access to
that information for other purposes;

7) The proposal is that it need not be produced "on demand" by the
authorities but this means they can demand you produce it within a
certain
period.  Obviously no different to bringing your licence and insurance

documents to the police station after a minor offence, but you'll
still need
those documents as well.  The problem is that it starts off as a
voluntary
card, yet it becomes compulsory by stealth;

8) If mistakes are made in the databases, it will be more difficult to
have
them corrected - you will not be believed over the "official" versions
of the
data.  Ask the people who have CCJs, PNC and NINO errors that have
caused
them real problems;

9) The £3bn+ cost will have to be found from somewhere - public funds
or
charging the "volunteers" who are not on benefits - either way, money
for
nothing;

10) And I'll stop here for fear of boring everyone to death - ID cards
won't
work if the aims are purely to eliminate benefit fraud, terrorism and
identity theft.  Countries that already have ID cards still have all
these
problems, in most cases their problems are greater than ours.  And we
do
pride ourselves on being a free society - our parents and grandparents
remind
us on a regular basis why they fought the wars on our behalf, mainly
to
maintain those freedoms.

Ian (all the above are personal views)

PS Okay, shoot!


Ian Buckland
Managing Director
Keep IT Legal Ltd

Tel: 01246 473999
Fax: 01246 470742
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Website: www.keepitlegal.co.uk

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