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Re: Today's FT, Lloyds TSB and the Unions

From:

Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:59:53 +0100

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Carter, Antoinette (CCM) on 18 August 2004 at 17:36 said:-

> Or was it perhaps a simple case of preparing to forfeit privacy for a
> financial reward. Money talks!!

No, things are definitely more complex than that, after all the majority of
society is taken up in trying to ensure the best value for money. Everybody
would not sell their grandma, and yet many may well sell their grandma's
favourite dress if they did not perceive any distress, or for some, personal
detrimental outcome.

As most DP practitioners will be aware from experience there does seem to be
a link with the perceived distance from any perceived or immediate affect
caused to the individual's environment. That disjuncture between decision
and responsibility for outcomes may be how the dangers and greatest damage
are facilitated. But we move more into a types of pragmatic decision
making, and out of immediate DP issues going in that direction.

Ian W

> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection
> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Carter, Antoinette (CCM)
> Sent: 18 August 2004 17:36
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Today's FT, Lloyds TSB and the Unions
>
>
> Or was it perhaps a simple case of preparing to forfeit privacy for a
> financial reward. Money talks!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Welton
> Sent: 18 August 2004 17:30
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Today's FT, Lloyds TSB and the Unions
>
> Yuill, Allan on 18 August 2004 at 16:50 said:-
>
> > What's in it for me? Cheaper insurance during the pilot and
> > potentially,
> > cheaper insurance long term for the ten miles or so I travel to work
> > each day. In addition, if the car is stolen, the company can
> > also phone
> > the car and get it to send the location, which will then be
> > reported to
> > the police.
>
> Interesting.. So from a privacy interest perspective :-
>
> Does this mean you perceive details of your movements as
> something that
> has
> commercial value which you are willing to trade with?
>
> or,
>
> Were the data protection information detailed in such a way that you
> were
> aware of exactly what would happen with your data and were
> happy that in
> all
> the circumstances of your life (public and private) no problem could
> arise?
>
> and,
>
> Does this mean you trust the insurance company more than they
> trust you
> as
> an individual? i.e. a simple declaration that you would only
> drive 'X'
> miles on 'X' roads could have the same outcome.
>
>
> Where the accompanying reduction of risk for the insurance company
> results
> in a more targeted cost focus will your responses adapt to reduce your
> expenditure.
> e.g. A number of accidents happen on your regular routes
> increasing the
> premium for those who travel those routes. Response : 1. Hassle the
> highways authority vigorously to improve the situation - even if it
> increases their costs. 2. Change the routes you travel,
> thereby reducing
> your insurance costs but increasing traffic on those roads which have
> cheaper insurance premiums.
>
> Ian W
>
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