Julian...Until I have read your work I am loathe to comment but I
suspect your suggestion that colleagues do not welcome dialogue is
rather unfair. As far as I can see they are pointing up the possibility
that in the hands of some policy makers,such a provocative title may be
used to reduce the 'support 'which a number of students in HE actually
require in order to complete their courses? It is not unthinking to
identify some of the political realities? And you must be aware of how
un-nuanced much public policy is?
As for the academic debates themselves,many of us have ,for many years,
pointed up the competing narratives about dyslexia within education
policy and practice, the social construction of the 'differences' etc
and long ago rejected the medical 'deficit' model.Personally I have
always advocated investigative practice,informed by a radical academic
literacy perspective and working with students as co-investigators. I
look forward to reading your work.
Margaret Herrington
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From: ELLIOTT J.G.C. <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:25
Subject: Re: The end of dyslexia in higher education?
Thanks Michael
I'm not sure who I would describe as a stakeholder..I guess anyone who
is interested in this issue.
The text is primarily an academic analysis of the field. I then seek to
apply its findings to practice.
However, my original ideas grew out of my earlier experiences as a
teacher in special education and as an educational psychologist working
for a local authority.
I am eager to hold discussions with practitioners from all sectors of
education about my recommendations (and have been doing this for many
years) - including PATOSS. This is why I have organised this conference
and am also speaking to professional groups at several other conferences
in the next few months.
As you may have seen, some of your colleagues would seemingly prefer
that such dialogue did not take place.
Best
Julian
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Subject: Re: The end of dyslexia in higher education?
I would echo John's email. My understanding is that Julian is
challenging the assessment & diagnosis of dyslexia. Whilst I would
welcome a discussion on the criteria for assessing & diagnosing a SpLD,
I also think bodies/organisations such as SASC & PATOSS should be vocal
in such a discussion.
Whilst on the subject of Julian, I am sure there are 1000's of voices
who could vocalise the benefits of their 'label' of something such as
dyslexia. In my own experience, it is not the label but the explanation
of what the label means, combined with 'this is what to do about it'.
Naturally research is always welcomed because it stimulates thoughts,
beliefs and possibly, practice. I also believe that good practice
stimulates research. One shouldn't exist without the other otherwise
unnecessary conflicts emerge. I would be interested to know the
stakeholders of Julian's research and which of us and our governing
bodies have been consulted in Julian's research.
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On 10 Apr 2014 15:58, "John Conway" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
But many will make the connection and even imagine a causal connection
as every statement taken to mean dyslexia doesn't exist fuels the
diminution of support for dyslexic students such as the end of the
Disabled Student Allowance for them.
I don't think you are saying it doesn't exist but is how many have
perceived it. Assuming you are not saying it doesn't exist could you
clarify your views and help counter this government change to student
support???
Regards
John
(Sent from my iPhone)
On 10 Apr 2014, at 09:43, "ELLIOTT J.G.C."
<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
You're mistaken, Daniel, although I can understand your reaction to what
is a coincidence.
I only learned about the cuts when you did.
The book was started in 2009 and I have had no involvement with B.I.S.
My focus is much more upon conceptual and operational issues concerning
dyslexia and its assessment than disability funding/resourcing.
Best
Julian
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Subject: Re: The end of dyslexia in higher education?
Was I the only one who read the title of this message and assumed it was
related to the DSA cuts...
On 10/04/14, "ELLIOTT J.G.C."
<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Dear colleagues
I have read recent correspondence with great interest.
I hope some of you will be attending the conference here in Durham on
May 7th.
It is called The End of Dyslexia in HE?
It will build upon my recent book The Dyslexia Debate and I hope that
after a discussion of recent findings in the research world,
participants can work together to examine the best ways to support
students with various disabilities.
In order to maximise participation, I have tried to make this event as
cheap as possible - £60 (includes lunch and tea/coffee) Details are on
the sites below:
https://www.dur.ac.uk/conference.booking/details/?id=297
https://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/education/research/40101_DU_Advert_Dyslex
ia.pdf
Thanks
Julian
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Professor of Education
Durham University
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Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
Whilst I am in complete agreement about the source of these statistics
(and it seems like an incredibly spurious ‘fact’ to base a substantial
policy change on), my major concerns about this reform lie elsewhere.
The proposal to remove funding for any bands 1 and 2 NMH support will
have a significant effect on all categories of disabled students. We
currently have a PhD student who is unable to type independently and
Dragon is not suitable. They can only do their thesis with the support
of a typist/scribe. It’s all well and good the government saying that
universities need to look at how courses are delivered, but how do you
get around that?
The wording of the statement released by David Willetts was cynical at
best – advocating independence for disabled students whilst cutting back
on the support they need to maintain independence (and I include
computer equipment in this). Whilst I don’t disagree that HEIs need to
take their responsibilities for inclusive teaching and assessment and
reasonable adjustments more seriously, the reality of the situation is
that disabled students will suffer as a result of this move by the
government. Yes, DSA needed a bit of a shake up, but not like this.
Once again the hatchet has been brought out and struck without any due
care or attention. I’m sure the consultation exercises will be
interesting and I can’t wait to see what the impact assessment will say!
Catherine
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ian Litterick
Sent: 09 April 2014 17:42
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
I’m told it **wasn’t** just Endsleigh customers, which would indeed have
been self defining, but from a/the NUS database.
Ian
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Sent: 09 April 2014 17:15
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Subject: Re: [DIS-FORUM] 96% of students own a laptop or net book -
Endsleigh, August 2013 ??
I agree with John, the methodology is questionable at best. It may even
be the case that only students who had taken out Endsleigh insurance may
have been contacted. A bit like Specsavers saying 96% of UK residents
wear glasses.....
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On 9 Apr 2014, at 16:35, "Ian Litterick"
<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Evidence-based policy making at its best.
I had a similar conversation. This was a marketing exercise by
Endsleigh. The sample was from universities “which work well for us� ,
ie where Endsleigh do more business, ie where they sell more insurance.
The NUS may be able to shed more light non methodology, but they are
having their annual conference.
John’s comments on who is likely to respond are entirely valid.
Regards
Ian Litterick
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Sent: 09 April 2014 16:11
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Subject: Re: [DIS-FORUM] 96% of students own a laptop or net book -
Endsleigh, August 2013 ??
Hi
Well found out John.
It beggars belief that a whole raft of support is being dismantled on
the basis of such flimsy “evidence� . Makes me think that this decision
is not based on facts (clearly), or a desire to improve service
provision or even to save money but is merely as a result of a political
ideology to rid us of that pesky “state� and “scroungers". I heard the
other month that they were assessing as "fit to work� some people
diagnosed with terminal cancers (nice). If that is true then I don’t
hold out much hope for DSA and disabled students.
Many Thanks
Imogen
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On 9 Apr 2014, at 15:56, John Hodgson
<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Hi Guys,
Just spoke to the communications manager at Endsleigh. Endsleigh
commissioned NUS to undertake the survey and students were emailed at
random if they were happy for marketing materials to be sent to them.
The email asked if the student had a laptop/tablet etc.
Not quite ringing someone to ask if they have a telephone but there are
parallels.
Might be worth checking this is the case with NUS as I was told that she
wasn't totally clear on the methodology. My concern is that:
* Students who don't have a laptop/computer may be less likely to leave
an email address and be unable to respond.
* Students who don't have a laptop/computer may not respond.
I was told that these statistics were requested by Endsleigh for marking
purposes only.
Kind regards,
John Hodgson
Study Needs Assessor
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:53:01 +0000
From:
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Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
So, 0.072% of registered students took part in the survey then?
Clearly a definitive figure.
Tim
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf OfMelanie Thorley
Sent: 09 April 2014 12:22
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Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
I am not a statistician by any means. According to HESA, there were
2,340,275 undergrads and postgrads registered for the 2012/3 academic
year - the same year the Endsleigh/NUS survey was undertaken which
produced the 96% figure.
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On 9 Apr 2014, at 12:06, "Tim Symons"
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wrote:
Yes – one would presume it was an ‘online survey’….
That sample is ridiculously small, biased and overtly flawed.
I presume that this will be the keystone in any defence.
Tim
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Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
Plus, only 1704 students responded to the survey. It is possible the
students without a laptop or ready access to a computer may not have
completed the survey
Regards
Melanie
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On 9 Apr 2014, at 12:00, "Tim Symons"
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wrote:
One would presume so…..Interesting….What percentage of students in
receipt of DSA is of the total student population I wonder? 10-20%?
Tim
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ALLMAN Dave
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Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
Would the 96% include all of the students awarded computers through
DSAs?
Dave
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To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: 96% of students own a laptop or net book - Endsleigh,
August 2013 ??
According to this PR release the NUS actually undertook the research:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20130724005816/en/Endsleigh-Student
s-%C2%A32000-Worth-Gadgets-Possessions-University#.U0Ul54XV6K0
On 9 April 2014 11:45, Ian F.
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Hi all
I'm struggling to verify or even find the source of the above statistic
mentioned in the recent SSIN
http://www.practitioners.slc.co.uk/media/744663/ssin_01-15_apr2014.pdf
Anyone else had any luck? It just doesn't seem correct in my
experience, but maybe the survey didn't cover east london.
Given the NUS's response to David Willetts statement on DSA changes, I'm
sure Endsleigh will want their stats to be accurately quoted and not
quoted out of context...
Ian
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