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Re: DPA if you hold but cannot retrieve it - then what?

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Paul Ticher <[log in to unmask]>

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Paul Ticher <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:45:29 +0100

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I can't find anything remotely resembling an obligation "to take reasonable 
and proportionate steps to identify and disclose the information he is bound 
to disclose" in the wording of s.7.  Is this an additional consideration 
that has been invented by the judges?

Paul Ticher
0116 273 8191
www.paulticher.com
22 Stoughton Drive North, Leicester LE5 5UB


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bradshaw, Phillip" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: DPA if you hold but cannot retrieve it - then what?


"I think you could possibly argue that the information is no-longer held 
within a relevant filing system, in that it is no-longer ".structured, 
either by reference to individuals or by reference to criteria relating to 
individuals, in such a way that specific information relating to a 
particular individual is readily accessible."

Except of course that the concept of a relevant filing structure is 
irrelevant for data held electronically.

The concept of the information no longer being held is certainly not to be 
ignored. Why is it still there at all ? Was there a firm intention to 
dispose of it ?

Eszias is also certainly relevant. As pointed out it was not based on s8(2) 
but on the more general notion that the obligation under s7 is "to take 
reasonable and proportionate steps to identify and disclose the information 
he is bound to disclose" - para 93 of the judgement. The questions in my 
previous paragraph are I suggest relevant is deciding what is reasonable and 
proportionate, as well as the nature and significance of the data, why it 
was held in the first place, what the normal retention period would have 
been, and of course the cost. i.e. all the circumsatnces.


-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues on behalf 
of Carroll James (South of Tyne and Wear)
Sent: Fri 29/07/2011 14:53
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] DPA if you hold but cannot retrieve it - then 
what?

I think you could possibly argue that the information is no-longer held
within a relevant filing system, in that it is no-longer "...structured,
either by reference to individuals or by reference to criteria relating
to individuals, in such a way that specific information relating to a
particular individual is readily accessible."



James



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From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bailey, Trish
Sent: 29 July 2011 14:23
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-protection] DPA if you hold but cannot retrieve it - then
what?



All



I have been asked by a colleague - hypothetical situation.



If you have  Personal information that has been requested under DPA and
of which is stored on a server, however you have implemented a different
infrastructure since so therefore accessing this "information" would
require the "rebuild" of the previous infrastructure to access and
retrieve.  Under the definition of DPA is it reasonable to quote -
"because of the change to hardware/software we are unable to access this
information so therefore this is deemed disproportionate".



Q:  Do organisations have a legal requirement under DPA to fulfil the
request (absorb the cost and rebuild to access it), because the
organisation failed to destroy the information initially when the new
infrastructure was implemented?





Many thanks

Trish

Trish-louise Bailey

Audit & Assurance (Information Governance)

(IG covers:  Data Protection & Privacy, FOI, Information Security,
Information Sharing & Confidentiality, Information & Records Management,
Information Quality & Assurance)

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