Hi there,
A request has been posted on the NADP list to ask if anyone has seen a copy of the letter which has gone to students. We are about to email the NHS funded students who we provide support to, as none of them have mentioned anything to us I'm not sure they know.
Marie
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From: Claire Wickham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 December 2010 12:05
To: Marie Norris; [log in to unmask]
Cc: Claire Wickham
Subject: RE: NHS Student Bursaries
Dear all,
where, I wonder, is student choice in this?
I wonder what would happen if the student wrote and said "As a result of my impairments I cannot handle this amount of money and the additional administration required without this detracting from my study-time and this is therefore likely to have a negative impact on my degree?" Can the NUS get involved in this dispute?
ATB
Claire
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marie Norris [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 December 2010 11:56
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NHS Student Bursaries
Hi there,
I have made a number of suggestions to the NHS who have said no to them all - they will only pay the student direct and on receipt of an invoice from us. An in-house supplier has also asked whether would be still possible to invoice the NHS direct providing a consent form was signed by the student - the answer was no to that too.
Marie
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Conway
Sent: 06 December 2010 11:47
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NHS Student Bursaries
And subject the process to FEC ??? Would there be anything left?
(full economic costing to those not in the know)
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barry Grant Hayward
Sent: 06 December 2010 11:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NHS Student Bursaries
Just a thought, but this is a bit like direct payments and in that sense potentially a good thing. Could universities act as the student's agent and handle the money on the student's behalf?
Barry Hayward
Disability Coordinator
Goldsmiths
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto: On Behalf Of Kevin Brunton
Sent: 03 December 2010 14:53
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NHS Student Bursaries
I know that both the National Association of Disability Practitioners (NADP) and the Association of Dyslexia Specialists in HE (ADSHE) have written to the Department of Health and/or NHS Bursaries asking that the changes be suspended pending a full review. A co-ordinated suppliers response would be helpful as well given that many are clearly nervous about continuing to provide support for NHS funded students.
The contacts listed in the 11th edition of the NHS Bursary Scheme (http://www.southwest.nhs.uk/pdf/The%20NHS%20Bursary%20Scheme%20Eleventh%20Edition.pdf) are:
Andrena Lauder
Head of Student Bursaries / Divisional Manager
NHS Business Services Authority Student Bursaries
Hesketh House
200-220 Broadway
Fleetwood
FY7 8SS
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Sarah Aartse-Tuyn
Department of Health
Rm 2W26, Quarry House
Quarry Hill
Leeds
LS2 7UE
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On 2 December 2010 14:54, David Baxter-Williams <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
That is interesting. We didn't get the letter from NHS either. We found out because we had another query for NHS Bursaries and happened to phone them up.
Even if NHS had informed all concerned parties appropriately, I cannot see this system being workable. Should a letter or petition be put together in the interests of disabled students who needn't have to run an accounts department whilst studying?
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Ian F.
Sent: 02 December 2010 1:59 PM
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NHS Student Bursaries
I think the text of the letter sent to suppliers reads something like
"From 01 December 2010, the NHS Business Services Authority will no
longer pay invoices to DSA equipment/services providers on behalf of
students. We will make funds available directly to students to cover
these payments and therefore from next month, suppliers of goods and
services will need to invoice students directly. This change brings
payment of the allowance in line with the way that we pay all other
bursaries and allowances..."
Note that one London-based taxi company who are able invoice the funding
body directly rather than charge students has already said they'll no
longer provide quotes for NHS-funded students because of this.
Ian Francis
On 01/12/2010 15:32, David Baxter-Williams wrote:
> /Is it the case that from today HEIs will need to start invoicing
> students directly for their DSAable human support?/
>
> As far as I understand it, the answer is yes.
>
> Any supplier will have to invoice the student directly, but copy in the
> NHS, who will then pay the student; who will then pay the supplier of
> the support. Their 'logic' being that the NHS don't pay 3^rd parties and
> that the student is the customer.
>
> Clearly this is a crazy system and one that those running the nuts and
> bolts of NHS bursaries don't agree with either. It could be said to
> contradict the principle of reasonable adjustment for disabled people,
> which is the point of the DSA in first place. Students with various
> disabilities are now expected to manage these finances themselves and
> make payments for support. For Study Skills sessions this could mean
> students need to handle invoices weekly or monthly. With NHS students
> they are often pushed for time anyway, whilst on placement and carrying
> out various course requirements. The upshot may be that students don't
> pay the supplier, and then lose vital support.
>
> David Baxter-Williams
> Assistive Solutions Limited
> 35 Kingsland Road
> London E2 8AA
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> Tel: +44 (0)20 7749 3775
> Fax: +44 (0)20 7739 7742
> E Mail: david@assistiveitsolutions..com
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> *From:*Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Simon Jarvis
> *Sent:* 01 December 2010 2:13 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* NHS Student Bursaries
>
> A colleague sent me an email from the University network for mental
> health advisers about changes in the way NHS Bursaries pay for students'
> human support, which had come from the NADP list.
>
> I'm not on the NADP list - can anyone clarify the current situation? Is
> it the case that from today HEIs will need to start invoicing students
> directly for their DSAable human support?
>
> Simon
>
> --
>
> Simon Jarvis
>
> Head of Disability& Dyslexia Service
>
> Queen Mary University of London
>
>
>
> Student and Campus Services
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