An alternative would be an online meeting/webinar. I may be in a position
to be able to host one within a month or two.
Paul Ticher
0116 273 8191
22 Stoughton Drive North, Leicester LE5 5UB
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From: "Harrison, Iain" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [UNCLASSIFIED] [data-protection] Privacy: A chance for a list
seminar in the new year?
This looks excellent. I can probably arrange a room here if the Midlands is
a viable location.
Iain Harrison
Information Governance Officer,
Information Governance Team,
Democratic Services,
Customer & Workforce Services,
Coventry City Council
Room 21a, Lower Ground Floor,
Council House,
Earl Street
Coventry. CV1 5RR
Telephone No: 024 7683 3305
Fax No: 024 7683 3395
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Ian
Sent: 09 December 2010 16:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Privacy: A chance for a list seminar in the
new year?
Certainly going to watch this with interest.
Some logistical issues to resolve as well - like where to have it!
I'm currently wondering if I could convince my employers to let me have some
rooms or it may be that other list members have some suggestions here as
well.
Hope we can get something together, sounds a fantastic opportunity for all
concerned.
Ian
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From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues on behalf
of Lawrence Serewicz
Sent: Thu 09/12/2010 10:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-protection] Privacy: A chance for a list seminar in the new
year?
Dear All,
One of the benefits of this list is the wide range of experts and their
ability to draw on a wealth and depth of knowledge that enriches us all.
I was wondering if we, as a list, may have a specific debate (Seminar) about
privacy rights and its developments. For example, if a couple of the more
knowledgeable members are wiling to put forward a short (say 300 word)
discussion report, especially if you are working on it in your off list
work. Then we could all discuss.
I understand that this moves us away from some of the central reasons for
the list so I am just floating it as an idea. The reason for this is that
privacy and privacy rights (especially in the UK) are an increasingly
important element of information rights especially through the courts.
For practitioners, the development of privacy rights and decisions based
around it by high courts and tribunals will have an immediate impact on how
we undertake our work. While I try to remain aware of the developments in
the field, the reference to the decision relating to the Police and the hunt
strategy meeting caught me by surprise.
Is this something that the list is interested in pursuing? Perhaps we could
arrange for something in late January if people on the list are interested.
Let me know what you think.
Best,
Lawrence
Principal Information Management Officer Durham County Council Room 4/140
County Hall County Durham
DH1 5UF
0191-372-8371
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Baines, Jonathan
Sent: 09 December 2010 10:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Section 47
Hi Simon
We've gone a long way off the main subject. If anyone wants a discussion
about the development of privacy in English law I'd be very happy to do so
off list, or elsewhere. Although for starters reference should be had to the
writings of academics such as Gavin Phillipson and Helen Fenwick.
Just to clarify. I am not saying that a) there is a specific "Right to
Privacy" recognised in English law (there are, however, privacy rights
created by a combination of some or all of, or interaction between, DPA,
HRA, common law duty of confidence, the developing tort of misuse of private
information and others) b) that one's privacy rights when performing a
professional role are the same as one's privacy rights when NOT performing
one's professional role.
best wishes
Jonathan
Jonathan Baines
Legal and Democratic Services
Buckinghamshire County Council
tel: 01296 383681
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Simon Howarth
Sent: Wednesday 08 December 2010 23:03
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Section 47
I think we need to remember here, that (if I recall correctly), there is no
automatic "right" to privacy in English Law. There is the Data PROTECTION
Act (not privacy act) and there is the common law (not legislative) duty of
confidentiality. The Human Rights Act provides a right to respect for
private and family life, this not the same as affording privacy as I
understand it.
Also, if I remember rightly, there is the case of R v Lord (I will try and
look it up). The upshot was that reports about a prisoner in relation to
their parole were deemed disclosable even though they would identify the
prison officers who wrote them. I think the judge stated that they were
given in a professional and not personal capacity and so could not be
withheld. I and my memory are willing to stand corrected on this.
Simon Howarth
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Baines, Jonathan
Sent: 08 December 2010 11:35
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Section 47
Again, agreed, and I would stress that I was merely disagreeing with the
formulation that people who "attend in their professional capacity ... are
therefore not third parties" (and I would add that they may be "relevant
persons" according to the Modification Order, but that, again, does not mean
*by definition* that they have no privacy rights). If anyone has concerns
about my position I would refer them to my (carefully worded) original post!
Jonathan Baines
Legal and Democratic Services
Buckinghamshire County Council
tel: 01296 383681
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: Wednesday 08 December 2010 11:14
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Section 47
I think there is a considerable difference between people having a
reasonable expectation of privacy for their personal business at work, and
privacy being relevant to the identity and official actions of an employee.
The Human Rights Act doesn't give a right to privacy, but a right to respect
for home life, family and so on. So my employer listening into my calls to
my girlfriend raises significant privacy implications - my employer
identifying me as the chair of the Records Management meeting I just
attended does not.
The Hunt issue is a good example - a person may be disproportionately
affected, both in and out of work, by getting involved in a contentious
work-related issue. But I don't see that as privacy so much as the fairness
aspects of DP, or just health and safety. In an FOI world, we should
generally approach our work with the expectation that we will be publicly
associated with it and accountable for it, unless there are specific reasons
not to.
Tim Turner
Information Governance Manager
NHS Manchester
1st floor
Parkway 3
Parkway Business Centre
Princess Road
Manchester, M14 7LU
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DDI: 0161 765 4174
Please note I only work on Tuesdays and one other day each week, so a
response may be delayed.
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