I am thinking about what to wager and how to decide if an email has been recovered. Obviously if someone decided to save a perticular email, it can be downloaded or printed or stored electronically.
The closer to the central hub of the web, ie google and other central providers, the easier it will be to recover. I would suggest that the farther an email is sent and stored away from the center the less likely it will be recovered. Moreover it would depend on whether the email is sent to anarchiving site or between two organisations.
For example an email between me and someone from durham county council is unlikely to survive very long but an email to this group will last longer.
I agree that common standards help but we are at the mercy of servers surviving. After all if google went out of business, who would maintain the database for usenet? Would they offer the same access rights as are currently enjoyed.
As to a wager, I would say it would have to be about retrieving a preselected email on a specific date in the past year and whether it can be found by an internal system or an external search engine, but it is something to think through.
Best
Lawrence
This was sent from my Blackberry device.
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From: Chris Bayliss [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 27/02/2009 18:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Email is a wonderful medium
Depends on how they are stored - if stored in standard RFC2822 format
their lifespan should be quite long and if not tools to read
proprietory formats are likely to be around for a while. Having said
that in my personal emails I can't find a thing older than 9
years.....
What are you prepared to wager :-)
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 05:27:43PM +0000, Lawrence Serewicz wrote:
> I would wager that it will be nigh impossible to find individual emails
> written today in five years. The changes in technology and compatibility
> will make it difficult and retention policies, even those that are
> followed, mean emails will disappear relatively quickly.
>
> Each system upgrade or change between systems raises questions about
> backward compatibility and storage as many orgs ask staf to keep accounts
> under a certain size or to delete their emails after x months.
>
> I would be more worried about the green inked letter to the editor than a
> hasty email to robert peston. :)
>
> Best
>
> Lawrence
>
> P. S. Yes it is ironically inteded that this is sent from a blackberry :)
>
>
> This was sent from my Blackberry device.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: 27/02/2009 17:04 GMT
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> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Email is a wonderful medium
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>
>
> Is "tampering with history" also"the Grandfather Paradox"?
>
> Jethro R Binks wrote:
> >On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Tim Trent wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Email needs an "oh lord, NO!" button
> >>
> >
> >Some clients offer it (although funnily enough it isn't labelled like
> >that). That's why you see "Jane Bloggs wishes to recall the message
> >'Something Really Personal'" messages shortly afterwards. Unfortunately,
> >users are usually not adequately trained, so they don't realise that the
> >function does not work outwith their own mail system, and just serves to
> >compound the problem ("what was so interesting in that mail that they now
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> >It's a good point about removing things from the public archive though --
> >although some might argue it is tampering with history!
> >
> >Jethro.
> >
> >
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