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Re: Specialist software in exams

From:

Nasser Siabi <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.

Date:

Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:10:10 +0000

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I think the Dragon solution is viable and easily achieved with the help of
the University Computing department. With regards to the security issues,
The Dragon professional can accept voice profiles on a memory stick (which
should be loaded on the network rather than on the individual machine) and
there is no chance of importing the macros which means no one can cheat as
described. Of course, with the latest version 10 for most people the
training will take no more than an hour which needs to be done only once
and saved for future use, 

Another advantage of Dragon pro is that the voice of the user is saved
with the document and therefore if there was ever an appeal or dispute
then this could be examined and matched against the text. 

I expect the provision of Dragon throughout the university would become
necessary under the DDA and reasonable adjustment so it is just the matter
of getting the system admin people to allow usage over their network.

Best wishes
 
Nasser Siabi
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-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of swift
Sent: 30 January 2009 14:48
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Specialist software in exams

Better for who to use a scribe?

Admittedly I haven't been able to get Dragon to understand me since it
moved from discreet to continuous/'naturally speaking', but dictating
an exam to a human is a different process from using computerised
dictation.  I (used to) find that using a scribe often resulted in
loss of train of thought and needing to speak louder/more
distinctly/repeat bits.

2009/1/30 Penny Georgiou <[log in to unmask]>:
> Given the person power and effort that it needs to make it viable: close
invigilation, careful set up beforehand, it is probably better to use a
scribe...
>
> Regards,
>
> PG
>
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support
staff. on behalf of Peter Hill
>        Sent: Thu 29/01/2009 19:59
>        To: [log in to unmask]
>        Cc:
>        Subject: Re: Specialist software in exams
>
>
>        Hi
>
>        The OU have been tussling with this issue for a while. However,
it has just been resolved: in essence, invigilators will need to have some
familiarity with the way the software operates and, obviously, they will
need to be attentive. In addition, the dictation will be recorded using a
digital recorder. A simple solution really!
>
>        Regards
>
>        Peter
>
>        swift wrote:
>
>                You would have thought so!  I haven't known anyone use
Dragon and not
>                have 1-1 invigilation due to their circumstances.
>
>                2009/1/29 Gareth Evans <[log in to unmask]>
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> :
>
>
>                        But if the room is invigilated, surely this won't
be a problem?
>                        ________________________________
>                        From: Discussion list for disabled students and
their support staff.
>                        [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Bryan Jones
>                        Sent: 29 January 2009 16:40
>                        To: [log in to unmask]
>                        Subject: Re: Specialist software in exams
>
>                        Use of Dragon in exams needs tight invigilation.
A student having trained
>                        up Dragon on the PC to be used in an exam, on
their own as they do,  could
>                        conceivably also have added voice commands that
would bring up large amounts
>                        of pre installed (copy and pasted) text.    Much
easier than writing answers
>                        on ones shirt cuff.
>
>
>
>                        Bryan Jones,
>
>                        Manager, Disability Support Services
>
>                        & North London Regional Access Centre,
>
>                        Middlesex University
>
>                        Tel: 020 8411 5366
>
>
>
>                        From: Discussion list for disabled students and
their support staff.
>                        [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Penny Georgiou
>                        Sent: 29 January 2009 11:55
>                        To: [log in to unmask]
>                        Subject: Re: Specialist software in exams
>
>
>
>                        Dear Emma,
>
>
>
>                        For students who need someone to read, it really
is a very easy option to
>                        set up TextHELP or Claro Read to do the work.
Your university computer
>                        staff can organise this by installing the
programme. Students here normally
>                        sit their examinations in computer rooms, using
earphones to hear
>                        examination questions read aloud. Several
students can be accommodated at
>                        the same time.
>
>
>
>                        The use of VR software is more tricky and cannot
be done in a generic way,
>                        but one by one. It may be that a scribe is worth
while option in these
>                        cases, or at least it will require a technically
dedicated and confident
>                        colleague to see the process through it's
teething...
>
>
>
>                        Regards,
>
>                        Penny
>
>
>
>                        From: Discussion list for disabled students and
their support staff.
>                        [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Uden, Emma L.
>                        Sent: 29 January 2009 11:12
>                        To: [log in to unmask]
>                        Subject: Specialist software in exams
>
>
>
>                        Hi,
>
>                        I wondered how other HE institutions manage the
arrangements for students
>                        who have been recommended software such as Dragon
or screenreaders in
>                        examinations/in class tests. For example who
provides the equipment and
>                        software, who sets this up ready for the
exams-transfering voice files etc,
>                        do you have someone on standby in case of
technical failure? Does anyone use
>                        a non medical helper as a scribe or reader
instead?
>
>                        Feedback much appreciated,
>                        Emma.
>
>                        Emma Uden
>                        Disability Adviser
>                        Student Enabling Centre
>                        University of Wolverhampton
>                        Room Mb004, Student Gateway
>                        Stafford Street
>                        WV1 1SB
>                        Tel: 01902 321353
>                        Fax:01902 321021
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