I think Ian's summation is a fair one.
Peter the old devil - I take your point. Let's assume for a moment that we agree that if the institution is organising the event it should pay for access requirements.
When deciding to organise an event the HEI managers responsible must budget for said event. Where the course has 200 students it is likely to be a few nibbles and some soft drinks, when it has 15 students the event may involve a meal....you can see where I'm heading.....the managers should be budgeting their event according to all the costs involved and not treating the accessibility element as an add-on...that's part of being inclusive in my view. The idea, that we all know is very likely to be real, that the managers abandon the idea or throw their hands up in horror at the 'additional' cost is the old 'add-on' principle that we should be fighting against.
...isn't it?
Paddy
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Hi
>BSL user has been invited to a
> Christmas social event with classmates
A litle bit of devil's advocate here:
Who made the invitation? The institution, I imagine. However, suppose student X invited some of his/her course peers around for a drink? Is student X then respnsible for providing an interpreter? Suppose a group of students got together and invited all other students to a party?
In the situation described originally, might the institution think twice about issuing such invitations in future? What if there were several BSL users on the course. What might course managers have to say about the cost of a Christmas social?
I don't have the answers. As Ian points out,however, DSA is not an option.
Regards
Peter
Ian F. wrote:
> If you're thinking DSA should pay for this, the LEA has to conform to
> current DSA guidelines:
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> Using DSAs to support participation in extra curricular activities
> 152.. It has been asked whether the DSA can be used to fund extra
> curricular activities and participation in Freshers' week. Advice from
> DfES lawyers has been received on this issue.
>
> 153.. The regulations allow for the DSA to be used for 'additional
> expenditure which the Secretary of State is satisfied he is obliged to
> incur in respect of his attendance at the course'. The advice received
> is that this regulation would not allow the DSA to be used to support
> a student when participating in Freshers' week or other extra
> curricular activities where there is no link with the course of study.
> However, if it could be demonstrated that the extra curricular
> activity is a course requirement, we can see no statutory bar to
> paying a DSA to allow the student to participate in that activity.
> Examples might be a music student participating in a choral society,
> or a drama student involved in a drama group. It is recommended that
> the DSA can be used to provide support for students during induction
> meetings they might have with their course tutors during Freshers'
> week (as well as during other parts of their course) as this is course-related.
>
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>
> So it seems the funding authority can't release DSA to cover the cost
> of an xmas social event, unless you can argue that the student is
> obliged to attend the event as part of the course e.g. if a tutor
> provides important course-related information at the event.
>
> I suspect the institution is expected to use some of their Premium
> Funding allocation in these situations, using some of the extra money
> they only have because some students with disabilities choose to
> study there. Obviously this assumes the money isn't all being used to
> pay for disability services that the institutions are required to
> provide anyway, irrespective of whether they receive varying levels of
> premium funding.
>
> Wonder what other people think.
>
> Ian
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> Has erupted here on this scenario: BSL user has been invited to a
> Christmas social event with classmates and has asked for a BSL
> interpreter as all classmates are hearing.
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> Who should be responsible for funding this? Discuss!
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> I know what I think..... what about you? !
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