"(the unconscious truth we do not have the time to bother about but the one that determine our individual life history)." ....and isn't THAT just the truth!!!
You're right about the dilemma of course - we're in a no-man's land, a limbo, a half-way house between a truly inclusive society where labels aren't needed and the unmentionable time in the past where any non-conformity to 'normal' was simply ignored or outcast. It ain't pretty but at least we're trudging slowly along the path.
The irony is that the Social Model (the curer of all ills?? - how ironic is that????) tries desperately to take the term 'disabled' out of the pejorative labelling category whilst at the same time requiring people to be labelled to enable 'society' to adapt itself reasonably!!!
...but you're right Andy - let's not get too comfy in our supportive seats, eh?
cheers
Paddy
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Velarde
Sent: 28 June 2007 09:15
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users
Hi Paddy. As usual, your email is a very informative source. No bomb at all.
My aim however is emancipatory with a passions for questioning the taken for granted (the unconscious truth we do not have the time to bother about but the one that determine our individual life history). There is a juxtaposition of 2 equality issues, which are not mutually exclusive, but complementary. I guess this issue brings about a dilemma in which disabled people are: Is it worth being categorised in order to be subject of welfare state issues? or should disabled people steer clear by claiming to be a difference, not a disability? Freedom does not come with out a cost. Or should we wait 200 years to receive a luck warm apology for what we are doing to other human beings?
Best regards, Andy
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From: "Turner, Paddy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users
Hi Simon,
I find this a tricky one and one where there is - surprise, surprise - some
inconsistency.
Here at Sheffield Hallam we have staff interpreters due to the relatively
high numbers of deaf BSL users studying. The task of modifying the language
of course materials is done by the interpreters but not costed or recovered
through the DSA. I inherited this approach nine years ago and have not
altered it since - it hasn't therefore been refused as such by LA's, we
simply haven't asked. I worked on the assumption that since course material
transcription, otherwise known as putting materials into accessible formats,
was a University responsibility then so to would this activity be. However,
as a member of CHESS (Consortium of HE Support Services with Deaf People) I
am aware that many other HEI's do charge successfully for this work without
demur from LA's.
I believe there are other inconsistencies and have some fears that once the
SLC get their grips on the system, they will very soon start to attempt to
iron these out. In one sense this is A GOOD THING, isn't the removal of
inconsistency always good? (another debate) In another sense it is A BAD
THING. Bad because the use of interpreters in the classroom could be seen as
putting course materials into an alternative format and therefore a
University responsibility. If the SLC were to lean in that direction then
there are a few Universities whose support budgets would quickly raise
questions of 'reasonableness' in the minds of senior management.
.....but hey, they wouldn't do that, would they???
Andy V - you're a cheeky thing and no mistake. Are you trying to wind up
Support Services by suggesting that they shouldn't be charging for people
who are not disabled but members of a linguistic minority......? Or are you
trying to wind up the Deaf Community by suggesting they are hypocritical by
denouncing the label of disability by claiming the linguistic minority label
instead, whilst at the same time claiming allowances through DSA, DLA, AtoW
etc? Come on now.....which little time bomb were you dropping exactly.....??
;-)
cheers all,
Paddy
Paddy Turner
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. on
behalf of Morris, Simon
Sent: Wed 6/27/2007 1:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users
BSL this students first language, and English their second. Complex
written information is difficult for BSL users to understand.
It is important that an interpreter does this task, as they will need to
ensure that the transcription is firstly a true representation of the
facts, but also that they themselves are familiar with terms and the
meanings, for when they are supporting the student in and out of class.
In this case it was the students tutor for the deaf who recommended that
the student access this support to ensure that the student had a true
reflection of the spoken and written materials that are discussed and
taught in class. The interpreter used in this case is also a trainee,
so gained vital experience by doing the transcription into plain English
on behalf of the students SLi.
This also meant that the students DSA's were not paying the full expense
of a fully qualified SLi. This area was heavily research prior to the
original application, in conjunction with the SLi, and the tutor for the
deaf as well as the student himself, which I might add was agreed by the
LA, and only later withdrawn.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes,
Simon Morris
Disability Adviser
Tel: +44 (0)1642 342279
Fax: +44 (0)1642 342289
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Conway
Sent: 27 June 2007 13:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users
Forgive my ignorance of BSL, but why would such a rare creature as a BSL
interpreter with special and very expensive skills be expected to
transcribe course materials? Why not record and download via Dragon 9,
or use a much cheaper note taker, or simply expect the university to
provide much of the material electronically?
John.
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From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Morris, Simon
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:03 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Transcription of course materials for BSL users
Hi All,
I need some urgent input on a case I am currently dealing with. I have
a BSL user, who requested that he be able to access support from a Sign
Language interpreter for the purpose of transcribing course materials
into an accessible format. This support was agreed in February of this
year.
SFD Pilots have now reversed their decision and said that they won't
support this application, as on reflection this is something the
university should provide.
I am stuck! Can anyone offer useful suggestions???......Please!
Simon Morris
Disability Adviser
Tel: +44 (0)1642 342279
Fax:+44 (0)1642 342289
Adress: Disability Services
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