Thanks D
Sorry for any confusion. I mustn't have written that clearly. I
realise private companies are not authorities under FOI, that was my
point exactly - I was being sarcastic.
I meant as in, he'd probably have heard of it but he obviously wouldn't
know enough to know that the FOI law actually didn't apply to him in the
first place.... which is what he had done to me - quoted the DPA
incorrectly to make me regret asking for his flyer. Didn't work - just
got me a teensy revved. ;-)
All the best
Karen
Karen Waite
Corporate Records Manager
Cornwall IT Services
Megashed
Royal Cornwall Hospital
Truro. Cornwall. TR1 3LJ
Ph: 01872 254500
Fax: 01872 254508
email: [log in to unmask]
>>> "Broom, Doreen" <[log in to unmask]> 10/04/2006 10:01:54
>>>
Only problem - private companies are not authorities under the FoI Act
so you wouldn't be able to get the info that way...........
D
-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Waite
Sent: 10 April 2006 09:54
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: You're not going to believe this
He could have got most of that info elsewhere I agree.
But honestly, I hate door knockers coming to my home in the first
place.
Darn it my home is my castle and I want to relax when I there, not
fend
off people wanting my money. They get enough of it!
But, to then grin and try and charm me about the DPA was just a no
go-a
for me. Maybe if I had been really on the ball I could have confused
him with saying... but did he know that by the FOI Act I have a right
to
ALL their information and then rattle off a stack of frightening legal
jargon that would have had him handing over his first born before I
let
him go.
I could become a public menace.... oooh fun!
He obviously wouldn't have known enough about FOI to know that it is
concerned with government agencies either. I get a bit irritated by
people who know enough to quote legislation but not enough to quote it
correctly.
And the police would have given me a "sure love" if it had been
anything
less than a personal attack to my body.
Thanks to all for responding - wanted to help to kick start the week.
Karen
Karen Waite
Corporate Records Manager
Cornwall IT Services
Megashed
Royal Cornwall Hospital
Truro. Cornwall. TR1 3LJ
Ph: 01872 254500
Fax: 01872 254508
email: [log in to unmask]
>>> Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]> 10/04/2006 09:31:07
>>>
Well, there's no point in calling the police, or at least my local(!)
Thames Valley police! Yours may be better, but.....
I tried that last week when a white van stopped outside my house and
offered to sell me a brand new 3 piece leather suite that he "could
not
take back to the shop" The Police asked if I was concerned about the
noise he made when he blew his horn, and had no interest at all in his
registration mark, description, or anything else.
-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Waite
Sent: 10 April 2006 09:00
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [data-protection] You're not going to believe this
Dear Colleagues
I thought I'd start our Monday off with a bit of Ridleys "believe it
or
not".
I had a knock on my front door last week and opened it to find a very
civilian looking young twenties-something guy with his front teeth
missing (just giving you the flavour). He was holding what looked to
be
a stack of flyers in his hand. Home alone with my two young toddlers
I
was on high alert anyway. He said he was offering home renovations
internally or externally. Of some interest as we'd been looking for
such a business, I stepped out into the driveway shutting the door and
children behind me in house.
I indicated a cautious interest so I got the big spiel, if a bit of a
wet one, and he immediately asked for all my details so someone could
call us back later that evening. To which I flatly refused. More
spiel
so I pointed to a house along the road who had the sort of thing we're
looking to doing, to which he immediately said they couldn't that type
of thing.
Now,
I started getting a bit sus as it was not a major piece of work at
all.
Again he waved his flyer around and asked for my details. Again I
refused, but I reached out and touched one of his flyers to pull of
his
bundle and said, "I tell you what, you give me one of these flyers and
we'll call your company ourselves and get some information" to which
he
pulled them away out of my hands saying he can't hand the flyers out
(!!!).
So I said, right then are you in the phone book, to which he said no
as
well. Laughing and smiling the whole time he tried repeatedly to get
my
details to which I said no each time and finally "are you trying to
tell
me as a company out to sell a product you're not going to give me one
of
your flyers, you're not in the phonebook, YET you want me to hand over
all my details so you can "call" me later??? Are you serious???".
To which he replied - and this is what this fine tale has been
building
up to dear colleagues - he turned around and actually said to me
<you're
gonna love this>: "I know I know, but there are some laws around to
sort
of protect information you know and I know of them so I can't give you
any information about our business."
Once my jaw picked up of the ground I snorted and gave him a hard
stare
and asked if he would be referring to the Data Protection Act to which
he nodded profusely with another BIG SMILE. I said something back to
the affect of, are you aware that the DPA legislation is for personal
information about individuals and to my knowledge it doesn't concern
big
business but is there to protect the civilian.
To which his smile dropped and he said I am obviously a smart lady who
is finding him bit dodgy <to which I raised an eyebrow at him but said
nothing> and said, just for me he'll give me one of his flyers which
he
is NOT allowed to do and will probably get into to trouble for, shoved
the flyer into my hand, and flew out the driveway at a mile a minute.
I
went in a locked up the house.
Thing is I think he was legit, being Cornwall there is a woeful lack
of
professionalism in local businesses and door knocking is common, but I
can't believe that door knocking to drum up business is now putting
the
homeowner on the defensive as though WE are invading THEIR privacy!!!
I thought I must share this new twist and interpretation of the law
with
my DPA colleagues. Obviously it shows a vulnerability that if a
homeowner is not as aware of the law they would hand over all their
personal details believing this person and the DPA is there to protect
big business.
Shiester or legit? Hard to tell. But he lost me when 1) he "couldn't
"
give me a flyer 2) insisted he could only take my own
personal/property
details 3) not in the phone book yet been "around for years" 4) and
badly spouted the DPA to me.
Welcome to Monday..... forgive the length anything less would have
been
misleading.
Karen
Karen Waite
Corporate Records Manager
Cornwall IT Services
Megashed
Royal Cornwall Hospital
Truro. Cornwall. TR1 3LJ
Ph: 01872 254500
Fax: 01872 254508
email: [log in to unmask]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
-------------------------
The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and
is intended for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). It
must not be disclosed to any other person without our authority. If
you
are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering
it to the intended recipient or are aware that this e-mail has been
sent
to you in error, you are not authorised to and must not disclose,
copy,
distribute, or retain this message or any part of it.
We sweep all outgoing messages for the presence of computer viruses.
However, we cannot accept any responsibility for any loss or damage to
your systems due to viruses or malicious code not detected.
The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the
author and do not necessarily reflect those of the organisations
within
the Cornwall & Isles of Scilly Health Community.
This email may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000
or
the Environmental Information Regulations 2004.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All archives of messages are stored permanently and are
available to the world wide web community at large at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html
If you wish to leave this list please send the command
leave data-protection to [log in to unmask]
All user commands can be found at : -
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm
Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list
owner
[log in to unmask]
(all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All archives of messages are stored permanently and are
available to the world wide web community at large at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html
If you wish to leave this list please send the command
leave data-protection to [log in to unmask]
All user commands can be found at : -
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm
Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list
owner
[log in to unmask]
(all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and
is intended for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). It
must not be disclosed to any other person without our authority. If
you
are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering
it to the intended recipient or are aware that this e-mail has been
sent
to you in error, you are not authorised to and must not disclose,
copy,
distribute, or retain this message or any part of it.
We sweep all outgoing messages for the presence of computer viruses.
However, we cannot accept any responsibility for any loss or damage to
your systems due to viruses or malicious code not detected.
The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the
author and do not necessarily reflect those of the organisations
within
the Cornwall & Isles of Scilly Health Community.
This email may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000
or
the Environmental Information Regulations 2004.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All archives of messages are stored permanently and are
available to the world wide web community at large at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html
If you wish to leave this list please send the command
leave data-protection to [log in to unmask]
All user commands can be found at : -
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm
Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list
owner
[log in to unmask]
(all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET.
On entering the GSi, this email was scanned for viruses by the
Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied
exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs.
Please see
http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/notices/information/gsi-003-2002.pdf for
further details.
In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk
********************************************************************
* This email is privileged, confidential and subject to copyright. *
* Any unauthorised use or disclosure of its content is prohibited. *
* The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily *
* be the views held by Scottish Borders Council. *
* Please be aware that any email sent or received by the Council *
* may require to be disclosed by the Council under the provisions *
* of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. *
********************************************************************
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All archives of messages are stored permanently and are
available to the world wide web community at large at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html
If you wish to leave this list please send the command
leave data-protection to [log in to unmask]
All user commands can be found at : -
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm
Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list
owner
[log in to unmask]
(all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential
and is intended for the attention and use of the named
addressee(s). It must not be disclosed to any other person
without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, or a
person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient or
are aware that this e-mail has been sent to you in error, you are
not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or
retain this message or any part of it.
We sweep all outgoing messages for the presence of computer
viruses. However, we cannot accept any responsibility for any
loss or damage to your systems due to viruses or malicious code
not detected.
The statements and opinions expressed in this message are
those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the
organisations within the Cornwall & Isles of Scilly Health
Community.
This email may be disclosed under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 or the Environmental Information Regulations 2004.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All archives of messages are stored permanently and are
available to the world wide web community at large at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html
If you wish to leave this list please send the command
leave data-protection to [log in to unmask]
All user commands can be found at : -
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm
Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner
[log in to unmask]
(all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|