Council Tax legislation i.e. Local Govt Finance Act doesn't allow us to
disclose. What they can do is to ask Council Tax Dept if a person owes
a debt and if so, if they are applying for a grant
then we would look silly if they owed the Council and we were giving
them money for grants.
We have taken Counsel's Opinion on this and advised not to disclose.
Customer First programme i.e. sharing of information on public
services...most logical route is CT but unfortunately, we are not
permitted. I think there is a differing opinion in England though.
Regards,
D
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Scourfield, Brenda
Sent: 23 November 2006 16:18
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Subject: Re: Data Protection Act - Section 29 <fwd>
Council tax had a request last week from another of our Council Depts,
Public Protection I think it was, for personal data and they quoted
Section 29. I rang the ICO Wales as it is the first time we've had one
from a body other than the Police, CSA Inland Revenue etc. and certainly
from one of our own council departments
They said to get the Section (29)form completed, signed by a Chief
Officer and then Council Tax could disclose if they were happy to or not
if they weren't.
Brenda Scourfield
Team Leader
I.T. Division
Pembrokeshire County Council
County Hall
Haverfordwest
SA61 1 TP
Tel 01437 775380
> -----Original Message-----
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> [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Dodgson
> Sent: 23 November 2006 15:54
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Data Protection Act - Section 29 <fwd>
>
> Section 29 (3) is for the benefit of the supplier, not the requestor.
>
> For example
>
> Chris, under Section 29(3) please supply to me your full name,
> address, make of car as I think you hit mine in the car park.
>
> You would say, no (I hope) why? Because its none of my Business - in
> this instance business is determined by the statutory powers of the
> requestor, they must, therefore have powers which is not Section 29(3)
> e.g. Police Act, Common law? Proceeds of Crime Act, on the direction
> of the Coroner, Children Act 2004 etc etc
>
> Anyone who asks for personal data under Section 29(3) gets "what are
> you statutory powers?"
>
> It is for the supplier to consider 29(3) not the requestor.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kate McGinlay
> Sent: 23 November 2006 15:46
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Data Protection Act - Section 29 <fwd>
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> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:45:09 +0000
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Data Protection Act - Section 29
> Sender: [log in to unmask]
> To: Chris Brogan <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> Wow! Chris that is really informative. What about Local authorities
> and authorities who farm out the fraud detection roles the third party
> investigative companies. Could you argue that even with the defences
> of section 29, an organisation could be in breach by collecting such
> data, or processing such data for another purpose like this?
>
> How widespread is it, and should this worry the average man in the
> street, that ACME investigations has their file. Even if they are
> using their powers supposedly for fraud. Is there not a real risk that
> by giving personal data to persons who are totally unqualified to
> conduct an investigative function could easily clone such identities.
> Is it therefore not a massive risk to give out data to organisations
> under section 29, so that as Chris says we must only deal with Police.
>
> What then happens to all of these agencies who are set up, presumably
> to save Police time shuffling paper?
>
> Best wishes to all
>
> Legal Compliance
> King's College London
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:36:56 -0000 Chris Brogan
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Many non police organizations conduct criminal investigations. The
> > recommended skills for Private Investigators include conduct of
> > criminal investigations. The British retail Crime association advise
> > their members on criminal investigations. Civilian powers of arrest
> > have recently been reviewed. Telecom companies conduct their own
> > investigations and then present their evidence to the police. Royal
> > Mail with no more authority than the man in the street conduct their
> > own criminal investigations and prosecutions. There are many more
> > examples. Should you respond to a section 29 request from them? Now
> > that is a tricky one. If it goes pear shaped where does that leave
> > you? If a private investigator makes a section 29 request I suggest
> > you ask why he is doing it. Shouldn't it be the Data controller his
> > client? If he makes the request without the sanction of his client
> > has
>
> > he now determined that processing and taken on the mantle of Data
> > Controller? If he has which condition in schedule 2 has he
satisfied?
> > If as I suspect he hasn't then surely there is a breach of DPA at
> > least Principle 1, probably 2, could argue a breach of 6, most
> > certainly 7? If you respond in these circumstances are you being
> > reckless? Would this be a section 55 offence? If Richard Thomas gets
> > his way and this happens in 2 years time could you end up in the
> > pokey
>
> > for 2 years. Who said DP was boring? May I suggest that you only
> > respond to law enforcement section 29 requests.
> >
> > Chris Brogan
> > Managing Director
> > Security International Ltd
> > 130 St Johns Road, Isleworth, Middlesex TW7 6PL, UK
> > Tel: +44 20 8847 2111 Fax: +44 20 8847 1852 Registered in England
> > & Wales No. 1322074 Registered Office: 11 Loveday Road, London W13
> > 9JT www.securitysi.com -----Original Message-----
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> > Compliance
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> > KCL
> > Sent: 23 November 2006 14:46
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Data Protection Act - Section 29
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I was wondering if many of the other organisations often receive
> > requests under section 29 of the DPA.
> >
> > If so, I would just like to see what your views are, and whether you
> > feel this moves some of the administrative burden for criminal
> > investigations
> >
> > onto the public sector. How appropriate do you feel this is, that
> > certain 'low level' investigations are undertaken by persons who
> > have otherwise nothing to do with the Police (I hope).
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Legal Compliance
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