And to my mind, this just highlights where our laws may go too far in
protecting the individual and not far enough to protect society as a
whole.
Now there's a controversial statement and its not even Friday!
Mandi Barron
Assistant Registrar (Regulation) and Information Officer
Bournemouth University, Registry
1st Floor Melbury House, 1-3 Oxford Road
Bournemouth, BH8 8ES
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau
Sent: 12 July 2006 12:13
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of
Awards
See
http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,7890,1551139,00.html?gusrc=
rss
about a (former) Chief Executive of a NHS Trust.
If I recall insult was added to injury by the fact that he was chairing
a
body on training and qualifications in the health service.
See also
http://www.paramedic.org.uk/news_archive/2004/02/News_Item.2004-02-06.35
58/view
"A Norfolk nurse who claimed to have been the Prince of Wales's
bodyguard
and an MI5 agent was yesterday struck off for using a fake CV to get a
senior job."
http://money.guardian.co.uk/work/story/0,1456,1552241,00.html "The
fake's
progress" takes the attitude that we have all lied to get our dream job.
She seems to be saying that the longer the person has been lying (which,
of
course, they must do because they have to perpetuate the lie) the more
all
right it is.
I am not considered for certain jobs by certain employers in this field
because I have not got a certain qualification - this is despite the
fact
that I have 3 degrees. But I haven't yet considered faking my
qualifications.
Nick Landau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antoinette Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of
Awards
Out of interest, what happened next? A friend of mine is a recruitment
consultant, and apparently the BBC will sack anyone on principle for
lying about their qualifications, no matter how long after the event it
was. But most other employers are far more pragmatic and take the view
if they've done a good job for a number of years that it simply doesn't
matter if they lied about their qualifications......
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Broom, Doreen
Sent: 12 July 2006 11:13
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of
Awards
Our audit team did such a check 5 yrs or so after a senior member of
staff had been employed. Lo and behold - he didn't have relevant
qualification.
D
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau
Sent: 12 July 2006 10:27
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards
If someone claims to have a qualification eg a degree, I would have
thought that is certainly a matter of public record - and personally I
would have thought that anybody should be able to check with the issuing
body.
I personally have had the opposite experience where despite having
worked at organisations, former managers have made difficulties about
supplying a reference.
This is clearly a serious disability as most references are, as in the
student examples, to confirm the bare bones of someone's employment
history.
An excuse was given that they didn't have the records. This was clearly
specious as whilst they might have not had the records relating to work
undertaken, they must have records of my employment for pension (and
other)
purposes.
This was prior to FoI (but not before DPA) - and, no doubt, the
individual could request records from a public organisation concerning
themselves about their own employment.
Nick Landau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tinsley, Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of
Awards
Is the information, if released, likely to cause any harm to the
student? After all the results of exams are usually published in the
local press. If all you are doing is releasing information to confirm
that a certain student studied a certain subject during a certain period
of time you would generally not need explicit consent to release the
info as it would come under non-sensitive data. Not sure we need to get
a signature for every bit of data we may have to release.
If the agency wishes to obtain much more data the situation may change.
We should not make ourselves jump through hoops everytime we are asked
for something.
Chris Tinsley
Wiltshire County Council
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mandi Barron
Sent: 12 July 2006 09:54
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Subject: [data-protection] Question for HEIs re confirmation of Awards
All
Currently we receive numerous requests from employment agencies and
employers asking us to confirm that a student has indeed studied with
us. We currently ask for the student's written authority to release this
information however this causes a lot of work and prolongs the process.
My question is this. As the agency/employer etc has been provided with
the information by the student already, and we are just confirming these
details, do we actually need to obtain the student's written authority
to release, or is this implied by the student supplying the info in the
first place?
In such cases can we confirm without the students explicit consent?
And what about cases where we are not provided with dates and programme
of study, just that the student has claimed he is an ex-student of the
University? Could we confirm or deny that and provide details of the
programmes and dates of study if appropriate? This is different to the
first scenario in that we would be disclosing (rather than confirming)
personal information without explicit consent, however it could be
argued that this is preventing fraud?
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Mandi
Mandi Barron
Assistant Registrar (Regulation) and Information Officer
Bournemouth University, Registry
1st Floor Melbury House, 1-3 Oxford Road
Bournemouth, BH8 8ES
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