The problem with some discussions on this forum is that they can become
very polarised and I am feeling this way about this one. I would always
get some communication going with the academic themselves and the
student, so often useful compromises on both sides can help where policy
and procedure do not.
My partner is a lecturer and the night before scenario is sadly a very
real one given the pressures there sometimes are to 'multi task' with
not enough hours to do it. 'Off the shelf' lecturing can be very dry and
dusty, I can remember one of our notetakers feeding back to us
(privately of course) that a lecturer was using exactly the same lecture
notes they were doing 10 years previously.
It depends so much on the individual students access requirements, we
have one student who if we print off copies of the lecturers powerpoint
slides in large print on coloured paper is very happy, others who
electronically download the slides from the VLP and yes others who just
prefer to rely on the notetaker to get decent notes which includes the
'visuals'.
Chris Baxter
Disability Service Co-ordinator
The Nottingham Trent University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of KC Thomas, Centre for
Access and Communication Studies
Sent: 16 November 2005 09:49
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lecture notes in advance
In response to Scott's email I would just query:
Whether the lecturer is truly writing the notes the night before or just
wanting to avoid the responsibility for earlier preparation and
circulation
of notes, however brief
If so, I would guess the lecturer in question would also want to avoid
'advance time needed for conversation'.
Finally, Scott writes that his 'lecture style that has been successful
for
the last 20 plus years' - while not doubting this or Scott's
professionalism, I would just ask - successful for whom? Student
profiles
have changed enormously in 20 years and as practitioners we need to be
learners too and develop our practices to create the most successful
learning experiences for all our students.
--On 15 November 2005 12:14 -0500 "Lissner, Scott" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I am writing from the US and am only passingly familiar the DDA, SENDA
> and the Code of Practice but it is a familiar issue and I have some
> practical thoughts that might be helpful and some conceptual musings.
>
> If the lecturer is truly writing notes the night before then my guess
> is that he or she is not typically giving copies to students to read
> but may be putting some notes on the board during the lecture and that
> is what the student will be missing. If this is the case than the only
> advance time needed is for conversion and if the Lecturer can e-mail a
> digital copy that could be printed out in Braille or read with
> adaptive technology this student would be as prepared as everyone
> else.
>
> There are lecturers, myself included, that do not lecture from
> meaningful notes. I will have jotted an occasional name few key
> figures or dates and sometimes a topic or two but I rarely have notes.
> Would it be reasonable to ask me to change a lecture style that has
been
> successful for the last 20 plus years? If I put some facts and
figures
> on the board I would need to verbalize them and arranging a
> scribe/note taker for the student might make sense but not providing
> notes where none exist.
>
> The conundrum is trying to determine if what the lecturer is
> presenting about their creation and use of lecture notes is true or a
> pretext for discrimination.
>
>
>
> L. Scott Lissner, ADA Coordinator
> Office Of The Provost, The Ohio State University
> 292-6207(v); 688-8605(tty); 688-3665(fax) HTTP://ADA.OSU.EDU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jackson, Elizabeth
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Lecture notes in advance
>
> Hi Kate
>
> If the student is blind or partially sighted (B or PS) and only given
> the notes on the day of the lesson they will not have the same rights
> of access as their sighted peers and, therefore, not be included in
> the lesson - it's the same as giving a B or PS learner the handouts in
> lesson, asking them to read it and then discuss with the rest of the
> group. This is, ultimately, excluding the B or PS learner from
> participating, which is then seen as discrimination!
>
> Is the first time the lecturer has ever delivered the course, then I
> can understand that they may have anything prepared, although this is
> a little unusual. If the lecturer has delivered the course before,
> then there is no excuse for not having handouts or resources prepared!
>
> Regards
>
> Liz Jackson
> Acting Regional Manager
> Royal National Institute of the Blind
> London & South East Regional Services
> 0207 391 2138 / 07789812230
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Katy Mann
> Sent: 15 November 2005 16:27
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Lecture notes in advance
>
> We have a lecturer who is claiming they cannot provide lecture notes
> in advance for students with disabilities as they only prepare the
> lecture the night before and therefore should not be expected to do
> so. My feeling is that, with consideration to the current legislation,
> and in terms of encouraging good practice, that this contravenes the
> notion of a 'reasonable adjustment'
>
> I could find no specific examples that relate directly to this within
> the Code of Practice but would appreciate any advice/ feedback from
> anyone else who has encountered this problem. How did you deal with
> it?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Katy
> Katy Mann
> Disability Adviser
> West End sites
> Room CG80, Chiltern Building
> University of Westminster
> 35 Marylebone Road
> London NW1 5LS
>
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