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Subject:

Re: Compulsory ID cards

From:

ianwelton <[log in to unmask]>

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ianwelton <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:03:08 +0100

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Roland Perry on 15 April 2004 at 21:13 said:-

> He is complying with the law.

(which they have to 
> type in for the till to sell
> alcohol) rather than my ID.

If that information (DOB linked to credit card info) provides the proof I am
sad for those who might mistype during the very busy periods.  Are D/L's
scanned to stop that possibility?  What restrictions are there on the use of
information collected in that way?

> Parents *do* get sued when they 
> "allow" their teenage kids to give alcohol to their teenage 
> friends and death or injury results.

Does this mean the retailer is not sued but the offending children's parents
are?

> In this instance I was referring to the transfer of medical 
> records in the UK GP to GP, Consultant to Consultant). As far 
> as I know it's only in a UK context that anyone has suggested 
> that an ID card might contain medical records (and even then 
> I doubt the basis of those reports.)

I had interpreted the point as relating to the USA.  I have read suggestions
floated in the media of what ID chips may contain which included biometrics
and health data.  Considered as a strictly logical development many could
favour the next level of validation to be biometrics.  Validate the
validation which is validated by a validator who is validated by the
validation.  Too much circularity too little reality and too little
reliability, which all seems aimed at removing the human from the human
equation. Quite an impossible objective I would conjecture.

> They gain the advantage that wrong-doers (eg everyone else) 
> are more easily caught and prosecuted. Well, that's what they think.

Is the gain then a perceived control of other groups, without that control
having direct affect on their group?  That seems to relate back to a power
issue. A most unhealthy scenario containing only a very low level logic
which seems contradictory to other logical decisions stated to be made by
the same groups.  It would also seem to go against the spirit of some US
legislation the DP Directive and DPA, indicating that reliance on USA laws
to provide a necessary level of protection for EU personal data would not be
achievable. The scenario logically extended from that statement does not
appear congruent to the stated intentions or actions of the parties
involved. 

Ian W

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