There seems to be an inherent degree of confusion between privacy and the
public/private divide in many of the statements quoted.
Merely because data protection forges a link between the public/private
divide and privacy, drawing ALL of life into the political decision making
arena and therefore subject to political whims, merely indicates a certain
success of that particular social group and their current ideas regarding
the necessity for different forms of governance/coercive mechanisms.
Your statement on compliance raises the question - Is the ICO political?
That question could equally be - Is public life political?
A better question might be - what form of ideology does the social group
comprising the ICO's office follow as a group in their public work?
Issues regarding individual autonomy/decision making/personality seem to get
involved as attempts to change individual ideology via various governance
mechanisms intrude unchecked on the public individual. Dependent on role,
influence and position it would even be possible for intimacy not to be seen
as sacrosant in some circumstances, with respect and ethical issues merely
supporting intrusion in what could be termed a private sphere.
Now let worry commence when people start appearing with what are judged as
bad haircuts, after all they may not be a fashion trend after all, and will
undoubtedly be subject to the vagaries of personal perspectives. Where is
that pudding basin! :-)
Ian W
> -----Original Message-----
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> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent: 09 September 2004 11:28
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Fingerprinting schoolkids
>
>
> Of course you will still find you are overwhelmed by the "if you have
> nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" brigade. The Jews,
> of course, had
> nothing to fear, nor any reason to hide, until a nasty man with a bad
> haircut came along.
>
> Muslims in today's paranoid society "have nothing to fear and
> nothing to
> hide", except, of course, that they are Muslim and are this
> obviously all
> terrorists and to be hunted down and destroyed (if you
> believe US Rednecks).
> Homosexuals have, in the UK, had nothing to fear nor anything
> to hide since
> December 1967, except, of course, total discrimination in
> many workplaces.
>
> "They came for the Communists,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.
>
> Then they came for the Jews,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>
> Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
>
> Then they came for the Catholics,
> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
>
> Then they came for me,
> and there was no one left to speak out for me."
>
> - Pastor Martin Niemoller
>
> And yet we will be labelling people in interesting and strange manners
>
> http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/1H-arm.htm
>
> George Orwell wrote 1984 with great wisdom. The TV Show is
> rightly called
> "Big Brother", yet we seem not to notice.
>
> Have any of you noticed that the Data Privacy regimes in old
> totalitarian
> states mean that they are first to be approved as SAFE to
> transfer data to
> from the EEA? They understand the abuses that a rotten
> regime can make of
> data.
>
> Oh, some of you will trivialise this. And this group was not
> set up as a
> "fighting group", simply as a learned discussion list. So
> perhaps this will
> be deemed "out of place". And yet privacy is privacy. And
> if we do for our
> own organisations what we are meant to do then it is up to us
> and people
> like us who have the real knowledge to make sure that abuses
> do not happen.
>
> So, back to the school: I remain certain that a complaint to TICO is
> necessary.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Simon
> Howarth (WSL)
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Fingerprinting schoolkids
>
> >> Why not save time later and bar code everyone at birth :-)
>
> >That is logical!
>
> I used to be very much for ID cards, but now my views are
> changing fast. As
> I read this I immediately thought of the Jews being tattooed
> with a number
> for identification. Whilst I know the remark was jocular,
> this thought just
> plain frightens me!
>
> Simon Howarth.
>
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