A standard spell checker suggested a replacement for 'sysadmin' was
'sesame'!
Spooky or what? Just shows what solely relying upon the technology alone
can do.
Ian W
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection
> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent: 23 November 2004 08:03
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: email append, lawful?
>
>
> One may not like this. But it is real. The people on this
> list include
> sysadmins of some of the largest corporations in the world
> and some of the
> big ISPs too. Posting to the list to explain things will not
> risk your IP
> address being blocked, but you *will* lose your sanity. Go
> ahead and see
> the response you get. BTW they despise the UKIC there, in general.
>
> They are most assuredly vigilante groups. Some have
> credibility and have
> their lists used by decent organisations like Messagelabs,
> others are a
> server in a shack in Russia that no-one even knows is operating! BT
> Openworld got Spamblocked by one of those a couple of years
> back. Some are
> well managed others lawless.
>
> You see, and this is the entire point about bad eMarketing,
> they do not
> actually care.
>
> Your analogy with the postman is very different. You see
> there is a law
> about interfering with Her Majesty's Mail. Email is very
> different legally.
>
> The thing to bear in mind is that epitaph "Here lies the body
> of Willie Ray
> who died defending his right of way". Even if you are in the
> right on spam
> fighter lists, no-one cares. And these people ultimately control your
> ability to send email without hindrance.
>
> Oh yes.
>
> Have you ever tried getting off a SPEWS blocklist?
>
> I once shared IP space with an alleged spammer. This was the infamous
> www.gdscott.net (The domain was finally blacklisted by its
> registrar) My
> ISP had the responsibility of removing him. They failed to
> for so long that
> their IP address space became increasingly blocked. In the
> end all their
> clients could not email to many domains because the sysadmins at the
> receiving ISPs were blocking the IP address of the mail
> server. The only
> course of action open to me was to move ISP totally. I voted
> with my $$$.
>
> So, this is a fact of life. And because it is a fact of life
> we have to
> work to ensure we do not fall foul of it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Duncan Smith
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:02 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] email append, lawful?
>
> My problem with many of the contributors to NANAE (and
> UK.legal) is stuff
> like this...
>
> "Legal or not has nothing to do with it being spam. It's
> about consent, a
> purchased mailing list cannot have the consent of the
> listees"... [I thought
> about directing this contributor to the IC Guidance, but then
> feared for my
> IP address so didn't - intimidated!]
>
> Just how close to vigilantism is this?
>
> If someone mugged the posty as he left my building and
> destroyed all my
> direct mail ('legal or not'), how long do you think it would
> take to lock
> this person up? Yet we seem to accept that people can do
> exactly this to
> our e-mail marketing.
>
> "I don't care whether that Innovations catalogue is legal,
> it's not getting
> passed me!!!"
>
> A dangerous precedent.
>
>
>
> Duncan S Smith
> Director
> iCompli Limited Northampton UK
> T: 08707 70 48 66 F: 08707 70 48 69 M: 07775 56 81 80
> Mailto:[log in to unmask] Web: www.icompli.co.uk
> "Compliance in your language"
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