Tim Trent on 23 December 2004 at 10:50 said:
> Since a bounce list shows (in general) people who are not
> there one can
> argue with legitimacy that the bounce data does not "identify a loving
> individual" and thus that you have obtained nothing. IT does
> behove you to
> delete bounces (after you have become sure that they are
> genuine bounces)
> from your outbound lists. Saves getting so many bounces in the future
>
If the list is truly a freely available one, and the bounce list indicates
some assistance with circulation, what would cause you to delete those
particular ones?
> Selective Email Rejections based upon content are a different
> matter. Again
> a generalisation, but I think one can argue with legitimacy
> that a person
> behind such a rejection scheme must be there out of choice,
> and must be
> aware of the fact that their email address will be passed to
> the sender in
> order that the content may be rectified (I so HATE the Nanny
> State). One
> might thus say that the obtaining of the data was fair,
> although a little
> random. However you must still notify the individual "at the first
> opportunity" that you hold the data.
Where the email content does not need any rectification because it is
something normal and common like a name, why should it be rectified?
Further clarification could possibly be required but to change a quite
normal proper name to something different is making a difference in the
message given.
Take the name of the centre in the link -
http://tel.directory.gov.hk/0208000067_ENG.html - for instance. To alter
that to fit particular cultural outlooks would possibly make any snail mail
delivery impossible.
I agree about the Nanny state, its only good point is that it provides some
balance against other states of affairs.
Considering aspects of privacy in that, all that is achieved is a muddying
of the waters to the extent a true function is masked, but then from some
facets that would not matter.
Ian W
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> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent: 23 December 2004 10:50
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Email server rejections
>
>
> In general it depends what you do with the data you obtain.
>
> Since a bounce list shows (in general) people who are not
> there one can
> argue with legitimacy that the bounce data does not "identify a loving
> individual" and thus that you have obtained nothing. IT does
> behove you to
> delete bounces (after you have become sure that they are
> genuine bounces)
> from your outbound lists. Saves getting so many bounces in the future
>
> Selective Email Rejections based upon content are a different
> matter. Again
> a generalisation, but I think one can argue with legitimacy
> that a person
> behind such a rejection scheme must be there out of choice,
> and must be
> aware of the fact that their email address will be passed to
> the sender in
> order that the content may be rectified (I so HATE the Nanny
> State). One
> might thus say that the obtaining of the data was fair,
> although a little
> random. However you must still notify the individual "at the first
> opportunity" that you hold the data.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jethro R Binks
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 5:05 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Email server rejections
>
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Ian Welton wrote:
>
> > An early Friday one.
> >
> > Do MAILER-DAEMON failed delivery messages for messages sent
> to a mail
> > list, and subsequently dispatched to a large number of addressees,
> > some of whom may be unknown to the sender, breach the fair obtaining
> > principle when they detail the non-recipients.
>
> To completely not answer your question: no mailing list
> should be set up so
> that bounce messages of this nature get sent back to the
> list. Any list
> that does that is severely broken. I would advise not being
> on such a list!
>
> Unfortunately, they generally do have to go somewhere, and
> that is usually
> to the list owner, who is probably expected to do something
> about the bad
> addresses. And I expect some lists send the error messages
> to the original
> sender, which also would be poor behaviour.
>
> Some mailing list software tries to automatically handle them
> in various
> ways, sometimes badly, sometimes better.
>
> > e.g. A recent email which contained what in some
> > cultural/socialogical/terratorial groups could be viewed as rude or
> > abusive and yet in others as normal names seemed to be rejected by
> > several email servers.
> >
> > Secondly, are those mail servers which reject such postings
> prejudiced
> > in any way?
> >
> > Ian W
>
>
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> . . . . . . .
> Jethro R Binks
> Computing Officer, IT Services
> University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK
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