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But in real-life Antoinette it does hapen on the say-so of anyone as I
experienced personally. Boy in care told his carer that my son was living
rough in a Bus Shelter and had been for weeks..you can imagine the amount of
agencies involved (Social Work, Education & Police) before approaching
myself at the Council, I hasten to add...and although it has been proved to
be inaccurate they are just holding the information for child protection
purposes.....I gave up in the end..........
D
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I feel nothing but sympathy for the position of the police here.
Love or
loathe them, the Police have an extraordinarily difficult job to do,
and I
think they need all the help and support of the community to do that
job
properly. The Police quite rightly pointed out that there was no
way they
can prosecute a case based on the "evidence" collected by the
shop-keeper
for a crime that has neither been officially reported or until the
evidence
has been verified. Or do we send people to prison on anybody's
say-so these
days? Just because the victim believes he has tracked down the
correct man
who attacked him, doesn't mean that he actually has. And how can
the Police
be expected to investigate a crime until they have a statement of
facts from
the victim? They can't just put that sort of evidence before the
Crown
Prosecution Service; they need to prove their case. These are facts
of
life. This is not a cheap ITV drama, this is real life; and in real
life,
amateur sleuths actually don't know what the blazes they are doing,
and
don't know what damage they might do to an otherwise clear-cut case
by
interfering with the proper process of law. Well, that's my rant
over for
the day!! I feel much better now.....
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From: Jane Corrin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 January 2004 12:03
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Subject: Re: [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] DPA to blame
agai n
Good Afternoon All,
The obvious problem with all these recent media stories is that none
of them
involve Data Protection Officers. Now you see if I were being
beaten
unconscious and happened to have photographs of those darling "Data
Subjects" my first thoughts would be not to breach any DP
principles, I mean
come on that's obvious............. My God, he could have taken a
baseball bat to them and got better support from the police!! Happy
New
Year and I look forward to more stories such as these.
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Tel: 0151 666 3536
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From: Sue Hagon (PLC) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 January 2004 11:14
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Subject: [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] DPA to blame agai n
As a Data Protection Act student (I take the ISEB exam next week) I
would be
interested to get a legal perspective on this sorry story. Putting
aside
the moral and emotional aspects, what actually is the situation
under the
Act? My interpretation is that at the very least Principles 1 and 2
have
been breached. If the name and address were on the computer in
connection
with prescriptions does it also form part of a medical record (in
which case
there is also an expectation of confidentiality from a health
professional).
Are there any "get out of jail free cards" which would justify
disclosing
this information? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Sue Hagon
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From: Tim Trent [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 January 2004 16:31
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What we are talking about here is yet another "excuse" for bad
policing. But
bad policing is caused by bad source and application of funds. Some
years
ago Sir Paul Condon said "We cannot prevent crime any more, only
attend it."
It seems the budget for attending has now run out as well.
Love the 1988 act!
Now I cannot for the life of me see how any reasonable person
(Clapham
Omnibus) could fault the shopkeeper for his actions. I CAN see how
a
reasonable person could fault that police force.
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What did it say in the 1988 act ?
or is this another factual error from the main stream press.
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From: Pounder Chris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 January 2004 15:51
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Subject: [data-protection] DPA to blame again
>
> The Sun (to-day) has another "data protection act" to blame story
-
> read
from "Battered boss data farce"
>
By the way, our UPDATE sessions in London, Manchester and Glasgow
(this
month) will be dealing with this case, B Gas and Humberside as well
as the
fall-out from the Durant and Lord cases. E-mail me if you want
details of
these sessions and I will send them to you.
> C
>
>
> Battered boss data farce
>
> By MIKE SULLIVAN
> Crime Editor
>
> A CHEMIST beaten unconscious in his shop did his own detective
work to
nail the thug > -> but cops implied HE had broken the law.
>
> Brian Conn had managed to take the yob> '> s picture with a
disposable
camera during the raid.
>
> Then he got a local school to put a name to the picture.
>
> Finally he found that the lad had once been a customer at his own
> pharmacy
> -> and called up his address on the shop computer.
>
> Armed with all the information the police could possibly need, he
rang
them, only for the station to take 40 minutes to answer.
>
> Astonishingly, when at last he got through, a woman officer in the
> control
room said she could not take the details as they may breach the Data
Protection Act.
>
>
>
> Caught on film ... shopkeeper's snap of shop thug
>
>
> This supposedly makes it illegal to pass on information obtained
from
> a
computer.
>
> That was three weeks ago > -> and the thug is STILL on the loose.
>
> Shocked Mr Conn, 40, said yesterday: > "> I phoned the police
> expecting
them to be grateful.
>
> "> But they made me feel like I had done something wrong. I felt
dirty
> for
helping.> ">
>
> And the dad of two compared that response to one days earlier when
he
> was
caught driving in a bus lane.
>
> He said: > "> I had a £50 fine. It took a mere three minutes to
get
through and pay.
>
> "> Unless there is a fine to be had from a speed camera the police
are
> not
interested in hearing from you.> ">
>
> Mr Conn> '> s ordeal started when a gang burst into his shop in
> Chadwell
Heath, Essex.
>
> They were shouting and fighting among themselves. One then hurled
a
> case
of DVDs at the pharmacist.
>
> Mr Conn grabbed the attacker, hoping to hold on to him until cops
> arrived.
>
> He also snatched the camera from a display and snapped the thugs.
But
> they
punched him to the ground and knocked him unconscious.
>
> The gang fled and Mr Conn dialled 999 when he came round > ->
with
> police
arriving an hour after the assault.
>
> The victim said officers did not take a written statement but said
> they
would look out for the suspects. Next day Mr Conn developed his film
and a
teacher recognised the yob as a 19-year-old local.
>
> Armed with a name, he searched his pharmacy> '> s computer records
and
discovered the thug> '> s address.
>
> Mr Conn, from North London, said: > "> When I eventually got to
the
control room the officer seemed surprised.
>
> "> She told me she couldn> '> t possibly accept the information
> because it
breached the Data Protection Act and it could affect the ability of
the
police to get a prosecution.
>
> "> Her attitude was very shirty. I felt like I was doing wrong >
->
> when
I was the one who had been beaten unconscious.> ">
>
> The Metropolitan Police say the yob has not been arrested because
they
have not been able to take a written statement from Mr Conn.
>
> Police also deny the victim was told he had breached data rules. A
> senior
officer said: > "> The officer simply pointed out if the case went
to court
he would have to say where the details came from.> ">
>
> The 1988 Data Protection Act came under the spotlight when
Humberside
> cops
said they dumped records of allegations against Soham murderer Ian
Huntley.
>
> Mr Conn> '> s case caused uproar last night.
>
> Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: > "> Many people are
> frightened of
violent attack > -> they do not live in fear of data protection
rules.
>
> "> They would rightly expect police to prosecute violent criminals
> ahead
of those who may have broken data laws.> ">
>
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