Tim Turner on 23 April 2004 at 16:00 said:-
> However, I would like to see more debate
> about the pros and cons of a national database, because the
> cards themselves strike me as a red herring.
As to some extent is the national database. Compulsory cards would
facilitate the global use of the same ID number to identify a person.
Data matching and merging or joining databases would become much simplified.
Certainly the DP accuracy principles could be more simply implemented and
checked on.
Ian W
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> Subject: Re: "Most people" happy with ID cards
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>
> Given that few people outside government believe that ID
> Cards are the solution to illegal immigration or terrorism,
> it's possible that the Government doesn't believe that
> either. On the other hand, they know that a by-product of ID
> cards would be a national population database, and that's
> probably what they want. The cards can be sold on crime
> prevention, and the public will probably swallow that. But
> while ID cards are pretty useless in themselves, they are a
> good cover for introducing a population database if that's
> what you want. The census only really shows trends, while
> there are many millions more national insurance numbers than
> there are people. Neither of the obvious candidates work well
> if you want to know where people are and what they are doing.
>
> Currently, we get lots of debate about the cards, rather than
> whether a population database is a good or bad thing. Several
> other government policies already seem motivated by a desire
> to accumulate data - for example, the annual PLASC census in
> schools, the IRT programme for young people, and the
> ever-expanding database of DNA samples. I'm comfortable with
> the DNA database, as I think the detrimental effects on
> liberty has a genuine payoff in terms of guilty criminals
> getting locked up. However, I would like to see more debate
> about the pros and cons of a national database, because the
> cards themselves strike me as a red herring.
>
> Tim Turner
> Data Protection Officer
> Wigan Council
>
>
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> > From: Tim Trent[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Reply To: Tim Trent
> > Sent: 23 April 2004 15:21
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] "Most people" happy
> with ID cards
> >
> > So, the nub of it is "they want to regulate us". Period.
> >
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> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pounder Chris
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> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] "Most people" happy with ID cards
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> > You know all the press coverage about ID cards and
> combating terrorism
> > - just follow the exchange below.
> >
> > C
> >
> > 3 Jul 2002 : Column 231
> >
> > Mr. Chris Mullin (Sunderland, South): I welcome the Home
> Secretary's
> > assurance that there will be no compulsion, and acknowledge
> that there
> > are some obvious benefits. May I ask my right hon. Friend, first,
> > whether he accepts that it is for those who are in favour
> of the card
> > to make out the case for it, not the other way round?
> Secondly, will
> > he confirm that the card will be little or no use in combating
> > terrorism? Thirdly, given the unhappy history-I put this as
> gently as
> > I can-of Government information technology projects, are we not
> > entitled to be sceptical about some of the claims made for the card?
> >
> > Mr. Blunkett: I can say yes to all three. Yes, I agree that
> those who
> > wish to develop an alternative and simpler system to the
> multiplicity
> > of cards must make the case. Yes, I agree that it is important to
> > recognise the past failures of Government technology
> systems, which is
> > why the massive update of the UK Passport Service and now of the
> > Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency currently taking place
> should take
> > account of any potential for the future. Yes, I accept that it is
> > important that we do not pretend that an entitlement card
> would be an
> > overwhelming factor in combating international
> > terrorism. That is precisely what I said three times on the
> radio within a
> > fortnight of 11 September, and I reiterated it this afternoon.
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