We have several deaf staff employed here and I would say
that if attending meetings, conferences etc is an integral
part of their job then I would expect ATW support to cover
interpreting costs for this type of activity. I agree with
Larry that conferences etc should be accessible but, in
practice, it is often more effective for the Deaf person to
have control over their access requirements. We have had
instances where Deaf staff have asked
Conference/Workshop/Training providers to book interpreters
and/or notetakers and then this service fails to
materialize or is of poor quality.
ATB
Claire
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:49:53 -0000 "Baxter, Chris"
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Yes Larry but what about the meetings? OK bad example but what about the
> meetings?
> Your comment:
> meet them with rational and logical counter arguments.
> I thought we'd done that.
> No more time for this I'm afraid but I hope it has made people think
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Harding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 20 February 2003 15:42
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
>
> Sadly Chris, we cannot just ignore an argument because it is flawed. If we
> did most of us would spend much of our time causing chaos.
> What we must do, and what I am trying to suggest, is to be prepared for
> flawed arguments and meet them with rational and logical counter arguments.
> So here is another, perhaps flawed or mischevious, question. Does the DDA
> not require those who arrange your conferences etc. to ensure that thay are
> accessible to all?
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> At 15:25 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >Larry, I think we can ignore the argument if it is flawed.
> >
> >DLA = Disability Living Allowance paid to off set costs a disabled person
> is
> >required to pay as a result of the impact of their impairment on their
> daily
> >living
> >DSA = Disabled Student Allowance paid to off set costs a disabled person is
> >required to pay as a result of being a disabled student, for activities
> >which are related to study.
> >
> >Simply, if a person does not require a scooter to get around in their daily
> >living (often because of the way in which they have carefully organised
> >their lives)it doesn't mean they don't need one when they are out of
> control
> >of the environment in which they find themselves, i.e. a University campus.
> >
> >As a Deaf person I do not require an interpreter in my everyday life as I
> >have strategies to ensure I do not place myself at a disadvantage, however
> >when I attend an event for work where I cannot maintain the control, such
> as
> >a large meeting or conference I will require the support of an interpreter,
> >which I reasonably expect Access to Work to pay for not DLA (not that I get
> >it anyway!) I think this is a similar parallel.
> >
> >Does that help?
> >Chris
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Harding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: 20 February 2003 15:13
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >
> >Agreed,
> >but the argument could (will?) be made that such items are the
> >responsibility of DLA, and if unavailable through this source should not be
> >made through a secondary source.
> >Not saying that I agree, but this kind of argument cannot be ignored.
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >At 15:05 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >>Larry
> >>Your point is an interesting one, however as we know DLA and DSA should
> >>never be confused. As some of us have outlined, the need for assistance
> >with
> >>mobility is often not an issue in an individuals life, often because they
> >>ensure that they do not need it. However, when they are required to move
> >>around excessively because of the size of a University's campus in order
> to
> >>study then this becomes a study related need.
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Larry Harding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>Sent: 20 February 2003 14:55
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >>
> >>While I agree with the sentiments expressed, if the student has had a
> >>formal diagnosis and assessment relating to his mobility, has he applied
> >>for the DLA mobility component? This could be significant.
> >>Larry Harding
> >>Dartington
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 14:39 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >>>Dear Val, Chris, Anna, Catriona. Thank you for your reply. I agree with
> >>you
> >>>all. I will let you know the outcome of this case in particular. The
> >>student
> >>>is ready to take this to court. Best regards, Andy Velarde
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Val Morgan" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:46 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I agree that it may be the campus characteristics which necessitate a
> >>>> student needed either a wheelchair or scooter, and I successfully
> >>>> obtained an electric wheelchair for a student on these grounds in
> >>>> 2001. I did notice that this has now been excluded as a valid
> >>>> piece of equipment and wonder about the validity of such a blanket
> >>>> ruling.
> >>>>
> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0000
> >>>> Send reply to: "Discussion list for disabled students and
> their
> >>>> support staff." <[log in to unmask]> From:
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy Velarde <[log in to unmask]> Subject:
> Scooters
> >>>Advice
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Colleagues. Do you have any view/experience about why DSA
> >>>> funding
> >>>> could be used to purchase enabling equipment such scooters? LEAs are
> >>>> unease to fund this becuase they reasonably believe that the
> >>>> equipment
> >>>> would have been purchased in any case and not because of the student
> >>>> educational needs. My question is really wheather a particular
> >>>> student
> >>>> may need a scooter and also a computer because of the campus
> >>>> carateristics. Your always helpful views will be very much
> >>>> appreciated. Many thanks, Andy Velarde Disability Coordinator UKCVal
> >>>> Morgan Disability Co-ordinator Queen Mary, University of London
> >>>> email:
> >>>> [log in to unmask] tel: 020 7882 3132 fax: 020 7882 3617
> >>>>
> >>>> ------- End of forwarded message -------Val Morgan
> >>>> Disability Co-ordinator
> >>>> Queen Mary, University of London
> >>>> email: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> tel: 020 7882 3132
> >>>> fax: 020 7882 3617
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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Claire Wickham
Director
Centre for Access and Communication Studies
University of Bristol
Union Building
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Bristol BS8 1LN
Tel: 0117 954 5710
Textphone: 0117 954 5715
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