Careful now. That's the logical conclusion that includes the idea:
the DDA makes adjustment encumbent on HEIs, so what's the DSA for?
Iain
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:41:39 +0000 Larry Harding
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sadly Chris, we cannot just ignore an argument because it is flawed. If we
> did most of us would spend much of our time causing chaos.
> What we must do, and what I am trying to suggest, is to be prepared for
> flawed arguments and meet them with rational and logical counter arguments.
> So here is another, perhaps flawed or mischevious, question. Does the DDA
> not require those who arrange your conferences etc. to ensure that thay are
> accessible to all?
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> At 15:25 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >Larry, I think we can ignore the argument if it is flawed.
> >
> >DLA = Disability Living Allowance paid to off set costs a disabled person is
> >required to pay as a result of the impact of their impairment on their daily
> >living
> >DSA = Disabled Student Allowance paid to off set costs a disabled person is
> >required to pay as a result of being a disabled student, for activities
> >which are related to study.
> >
> >Simply, if a person does not require a scooter to get around in their daily
> >living (often because of the way in which they have carefully organised
> >their lives)it doesn't mean they don't need one when they are out of control
> >of the environment in which they find themselves, i.e. a University campus.
> >
> >As a Deaf person I do not require an interpreter in my everyday life as I
> >have strategies to ensure I do not place myself at a disadvantage, however
> >when I attend an event for work where I cannot maintain the control, such as
> >a large meeting or conference I will require the support of an interpreter,
> >which I reasonably expect Access to Work to pay for not DLA (not that I get
> >it anyway!) I think this is a similar parallel.
> >
> >Does that help?
> >Chris
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Harding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: 20 February 2003 15:13
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >
> >Agreed,
> >but the argument could (will?) be made that such items are the
> >responsibility of DLA, and if unavailable through this source should not be
> >made through a secondary source.
> >Not saying that I agree, but this kind of argument cannot be ignored.
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >At 15:05 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >>Larry
> >>Your point is an interesting one, however as we know DLA and DSA should
> >>never be confused. As some of us have outlined, the need for assistance
> >with
> >>mobility is often not an issue in an individuals life, often because they
> >>ensure that they do not need it. However, when they are required to move
> >>around excessively because of the size of a University's campus in order to
> >>study then this becomes a study related need.
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Larry Harding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>Sent: 20 February 2003 14:55
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >>
> >>While I agree with the sentiments expressed, if the student has had a
> >>formal diagnosis and assessment relating to his mobility, has he applied
> >>for the DLA mobility component? This could be significant.
> >>Larry Harding
> >>Dartington
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 14:39 20/02/03 -0000, you wrote:
> >>>Dear Val, Chris, Anna, Catriona. Thank you for your reply. I agree with
> >>you
> >>>all. I will let you know the outcome of this case in particular. The
> >>student
> >>>is ready to take this to court. Best regards, Andy Velarde
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Val Morgan" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:46 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Scooters Advice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I agree that it may be the campus characteristics which necessitate a
> >>>> student needed either a wheelchair or scooter, and I successfully
> >>>> obtained an electric wheelchair for a student on these grounds in
> >>>> 2001. I did notice that this has now been excluded as a valid
> >>>> piece of equipment and wonder about the validity of such a blanket
> >>>> ruling.
> >>>>
> >>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:04 -0000
> >>>> Send reply to: "Discussion list for disabled students and their
> >>>> support staff." <[log in to unmask]> From:
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy Velarde <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Scooters
> >>>Advice
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Colleagues. Do you have any view/experience about why DSA
> >>>> funding
> >>>> could be used to purchase enabling equipment such scooters? LEAs are
> >>>> unease to fund this becuase they reasonably believe that the
> >>>> equipment
> >>>> would have been purchased in any case and not because of the student
> >>>> educational needs. My question is really wheather a particular
> >>>> student
> >>>> may need a scooter and also a computer because of the campus
> >>>> carateristics. Your always helpful views will be very much
> >>>> appreciated. Many thanks, Andy Velarde Disability Coordinator UKCVal
> >>>> Morgan Disability Co-ordinator Queen Mary, University of London
> >>>> email:
> >>>> [log in to unmask] tel: 020 7882 3132 fax: 020 7882 3617
> >>>>
> >>>> ------- End of forwarded message -------Val Morgan
> >>>> Disability Co-ordinator
> >>>> Queen Mary, University of London
> >>>> email: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> tel: 020 7882 3132
> >>>> fax: 020 7882 3617
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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